How Assured are You ?? (of your salvation)

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Corinthians 15 3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
 

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The question is, are you as assured of your own salvation?
Yes; however, I wonder about many others on here after starting my own similar thread in 2020 to give folks the opportunity to say "I know that I know that I know" (<-- thread link) and having such a dismal response... :(

Hmmm - why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again?

I do not want to detract from your thread too much; however, I would like to post yet again the song it was/is based on:


It is yet to be seen how many folks will post in your thread to indicate that they are sure of their salvation.
 
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Yes; however, I wonder about many others on here after starting my own similar thread in 2020 to give folks the opportunity to say "I know that I know that I know" (<-- thread link) and having such a dismal response... :(

Hmmm - why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again?

I do not want to detract from your thread too much; however, I would like to post yet again the song it was/is based on:


It is yet to be seen how many folks will post in your thread to indicate that they are sure of their salvation.
Re "why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again? " Because most folks "know"--meaning that they are aware of/have learned--that in addition to this normal usage biblical knowing means:

1. OT - having sexual intercourse, as in Adam knowing Eve and producing Cain ion GN 4:1 (KJV), or

2. NT - having confidence or rational/evidence-based faith, as in EPH 3:12, HB 3:14, 10:35, JN 3:11&16, RM 8:22-28, 1CR 6:2-19, etc.

3. Paul wrote 1CR 13:9 & 2CR 5:7, which speak of partial knowledge and walking by faith, even after the Damascus road miracle.

4. GW - "know" does not mean humans are capable of absolute certainty, which would require omniscience and infallibility

With this understanding, I am willing to say that I know I am born-again/saved/spiritually circumcised/Spirit-baptized, etc.
 
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Yes; however, I wonder about many others on here after starting my own similar thread in 2020 to give folks the opportunity to say "I know that I know that I know" (<-- thread link) and having such a dismal response... :(

Hmmm - why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again?

I do not want to detract from your thread too much; however, I would like to post yet again the song it was/is based on:


It is yet to be seen how many folks will post in your thread to indicate that they are sure of their salvation.
Awesome,
Praise Jesus Christ
 
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So you're in the category of you know that you know. Still I wonder would I have that assurance with a gun pointed at my head like that young woman in Columbine years ago. Or those Christians who are in prison all over the world because of their faith. I hope the day ever comes God will grant me the strength to say as the preacher said " I don't need this life vest, I'm not going down, I'm going up".
 
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I say
We need to be careful about simplifying this instruction given to this man by the pastor
"Believe on Jesus!".

Well I guess you could say Believe on Jesus
I think----- believe in Jesus----- is a better way of saying it ----and I think all scripture says Believe IN Jesus ----not On Jesus --just saying

From AI
In the New Testament, "believe in" Christ is used in several places, including:

  • John 3:16: "Whoever believes in him"
  • John 1:12: "Those who believe in his name"
Now that being said -----Is the Pastor himself really Saved ?????

He says this ----
" I don't need this, I'm not going down, I'm going up!"

I say
So it seems he is a Saved Person -???---but there are many Pastors who may think they are Saved and they are really not Saved and so we can only Hope that this Pastor Had the Right Faith to be Saved ----
Oh I am quite sure the pastor was saved. He was preaching the Gospel to others in a time most people would be thinking of how to save themselves. He was still leading people to Christ. And it was his example that led the man to be saved himself.
 
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Oh I am quite sure the pastor was saved. He was preaching the Gospel to others
Many False Prophets are preaching the Gospel today ---like they were in Jesus time -the Pharisees were False prophets teaching their own doctrine ---Jesus called them Hypocrites ----

So watch out Folks ----who you listen to ------

from google

Another survey found that as many as 16 percent of the Church of England's licensed ministers have doubts about God. Membership in The Clergy Project has increased ten-fold in just a few years.

This indicates that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of atheist clergy.Apr 21, 2024

People also ask

Can an atheist be a minister?

An atheist can be a pastor in any church and I bet a lot of them are.
 
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Many False Prophets are preaching the Gospel today ---like they were in Jesus time -the Pharisees were False prophets teaching their own doctrine ---Jesus called them Hypocrites ----

So watch out Folks ----who you listen to ------

from google

Another survey found that as many as 16 percent of the Church of England's licensed ministers have doubts about God. Membership in The Clergy Project has increased ten-fold in just a few years.

This indicates that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of atheist clergy.Apr 21, 2024

People also ask

Can an atheist be a minister?

An atheist can be a pastor in any church and I bet a lot of them are.

Yes, that is a great pity. But the pastor in this story was saved. He was on the Titanic because he was on his way to preach at a church in America. He definitely knew the Lord.
 

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I heard a story last night that made me ask myself the question in the thread. It came out of nowhere. Hubby and I were watching a video about visiting the Titanic museum in TN.It is of interest to me because the disaster happened close to where I grew up and I've heard the story often. But at the very end of the video one of the folk that works there told this amazing story. I haven't really looked into it yet but it made me think deeply on this question of assurance.

Apparently there was a particular minister on the ship. He was heading to preach at Moody's church in America. When he realized the great ship was going down he began calling out " Women, children and the unsaved, get in the lifeboats"!! He passed a man without a life vest and asked him if he was saved. When the man said he wasn't, he gave him his life vest and said " I don't need this, I'm not going down, I'm going up!" The pastor grabbed something to hold on to and he floated past a man he shouted to him " Are you saved?!" the man said that he wasn't. The pastor said "Believe on Jesus!". Some time later the pastor passed the man again and shouted " Are you saved yet?!!" The man said no, that he didn't think he was. The pastor said " Believe on the Lord and you will be saved!!" That was the last time the man saw the preacher, but he said he did indeed become saved that night. What a testimony! What an assurance! The preacher still had souls on his mind up till his last breath. The question is, are you as assured of your own salvation?
Amen what a great story praise GOD thank you so much for sharing this :)))
 

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Another survey found that as many as 16 percent of the Church of England's licensed ministers
have doubts about God. Membership in
The Clergy Project has increased ten-fold in just a few years.

This indicates that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of atheist clergy.Apr 21, 2024
Since when does having "doubts" about God make one an atheist?
 
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It doesn't matter, because the preacher was saved by faith and not by working up assurance.

Now I WILL admit that I am an introvert, so I was not comfortable witnessing for Christ until I learned enough of GW to give me enough confidence that I knew why I believed what I believed to overcome my shyness. :^)
BTW, a Scripture that illustrates the difference between qualitative saving faith and quantitative working faith or assurance/confidence is MK 9:24, "I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief."
 

studentoftheword

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He was on the Titanic because he was on his way to preach at a church in America. He definitely knew the Lord.
So now your saying your all knowing like God and you know that he was saved ------well I doubt that ----you have no idea if this person was indwelled with the Holy Spirit or not ----anyone can say they know of God and can recite the Logos Word that means nothing -without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit they are Satan's child not God's -----

Jesus said this

Matthew 23:27. ESV "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people 's bones and all uncleanness.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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So now your saying your all knowing like God and you know that he was saved .

Are you joking?! Are you saying that you should assume every pastor is an atheist?!! My land I wonder at some of the people on this discussion board. The mans "fruit" showed he was a Christian. Do you not think you can know whether a person is saved or not?? Because the Bible says we can!! This is a true story about a man who told others how to be saved as he was losing his life. I bet a lot of people here would not have been so selfless. You totally missed the point of the story.


"When pastor and widower John Harper, his neice and six year old daughter Nana boarded the Titanic, they were enroute to Moody Church in Chicago, named for its famous founder Dwight L. Moody. The church was waiting to welcome the Harpers to their new home, as he had accepted their invitation to be pastor of the renowned church. Harper had already successfully led two churches in Glasgow and London."

“Being a widower he may have been allowed to join her but instead forsook his own rescue, choosing to provide the masses with one more chance to know Christ. Harper ran person to person, passionately telling others about Christ. As the water began to submerge the “unsinkable” ship, Harper was heard shouting, “women, children, and the unsaved into the lifeboats.” Rebuffed by a certain man at the offer of salvation Harper gave him his own life vest, saying, “you need this more than I do.” Up until the last moment on the ship Harper pleaded with people to give their lives to Jesus. Does that sound like an atheist to you?? You know a lot of atheists that try to get people saved??

“The ship disappeared beneath the deep frigid waters leaving hundreds floundering in its wake with no realistic chance for rescue. Harper struggled through hyperthermia to swim to as many people as he could, still sharing the Gospel. Harper eventually would lose his battle with hypothermia but not before giving many people one last glorious Gospel witness.

“Four years after the tragedy at a Titanic survivor’s meeting in Ontario, Canada, one survivor recounted his interaction with Harper in the middle of the icy waters of the Atlantic. He testified he was clinging to ship debris when Harper swam up to him, twice challenging him with a biblical invitation to “believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.” He rejected the offer once. Yet given the second chance and with miles of water beneath his feet, the man gave his life to Christ.
Then as Harper succumbed to his watery grave, this new believer was rescued by a returning lifeboat. As he concluded his remarks at the Ontario meeting of survivors he simply stated, “I am the last convert of John Harper.”

This is not the testimony of an atheist pastor! This is the testimony of a man who in his last moments of life was sharing the Gospel with the lost. Please stop twisting this into something it clearly isn't.