How Assured are You ?? (of your salvation)
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Yes, as I share previously, that is how it happened in my case--as I learned GW.
Yes; however, I wonder about many others on here after starting my own similar thread in 2020 to give folks the opportunity to say "I know that I know that I know" (<-- thread link) and having such a dismal response...
Hmmm - why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again?
I do not want to detract from your thread too much; however, I would like to post yet again the song it was/is based on:
It is yet to be seen how many folks will post in your thread to indicate that they are sure of their salvation.
Yes; however, I wonder about many others on here after starting my own similar thread in 2020 to give folks the opportunity to say "I know that I know that I know" (<-- thread link) and having such a dismal response...
Hmmm - why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again?
I do not want to detract from your thread too much; however, I would like to post yet again the song it was/is based on:
It is yet to be seen how many folks will post in your thread to indicate that they are sure of their salvation.
Re "why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again? " Because most folks "know"--meaning that they are aware of/have learned--that in addition to this normal usage biblical knowing means:
1. OT - having sexual intercourse, as in Adam knowing Eve and producing Cain ion GN 4:1 (KJV), or
2. NT - having confidence or rational/evidence-based faith, as in EPH 3:12, HB 3:14, 10:35, JN 3:11&16, RM 8:22-28, 1CR 6:2-19, etc.
3. Paul wrote 1CR 13:9 & 2CR 5:7, which speak of partial knowledge and walking by faith, even after the Damascus road miracle.
4. GW - "know" does not mean humans are capable of absolute certainty, which would require omniscience and infallibility
With this understanding, I am willing to say that I know I am born-again/saved/spiritually circumcised/Spirit-baptized, etc.
Awesome,Yes; however, I wonder about many others on here after starting my own similar thread in 2020 to give folks the opportunity to say "I know that I know that I know" (<-- thread link) and having such a dismal response...
Hmmm - why are so few of the folks on here willing to say that they know they are born-again?
I do not want to detract from your thread too much; however, I would like to post yet again the song it was/is based on:
It is yet to be seen how many folks will post in your thread to indicate that they are sure of their salvation.
Praise Jesus Christ
So you're in the category of you know that you know. Still I wonder would I have that assurance with a gun pointed at my head like that young woman in Columbine years ago. Or those Christians who are in prison all over the world because of their faith. I hope the day ever comes God will grant me the strength to say as the preacher said " I don't need this life vest, I'm not going down, I'm going up".
Oh I am quite sure the pastor was saved. He was preaching the Gospel to others in a time most people would be thinking of how to save themselves. He was still leading people to Christ. And it was his example that led the man to be saved himself.
Many False Prophets are preaching the Gospel today ---like they were in Jesus time -the Pharisees were False prophets teaching their own doctrine ---Jesus called them Hypocrites ----
So watch out Folks ----who you listen to ------
from google
Another survey found that as many as 16 percent of the Church of England's licensed ministers have doubts about God. Membership in The Clergy Project has increased ten-fold in just a few years.
This indicates that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of atheist clergy.Apr 21, 2024
People also ask
Can an atheist be a minister?
An atheist can be a pastor in any church and I bet a lot of them are.
Yes, that is a great pity. But the pastor in this story was saved. He was on the Titanic because he was on his way to preach at a church in America. He definitely knew the Lord.
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Since when does having "doubts" about God make one an atheist?
So now your saying your all knowing like God and you know that he was saved ------well I doubt that ----you have no idea if this person was indwelled with the Holy Spirit or not ----anyone can say they know of God and can recite the Logos Word that means nothing -without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit they are Satan's child not God's -----
Jesus said this
Matthew 23:27. ESV "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people 's bones and all uncleanness.
Are you joking?! Are you saying that you should assume every pastor is an atheist?!! My land I wonder at some of the people on this discussion board. The mans "fruit" showed he was a Christian. Do you not think you can know whether a person is saved or not?? Because the Bible says we can!! This is a true story about a man who told others how to be saved as he was losing his life. I bet a lot of people here would not have been so selfless. You totally missed the point of the story.
"When pastor and widower John Harper, his neice and six year old daughter Nana boarded the Titanic, they were enroute to Moody Church in Chicago, named for its famous founder Dwight L. Moody. The church was waiting to welcome the Harpers to their new home, as he had accepted their invitation to be pastor of the renowned church. Harper had already successfully led two churches in Glasgow and London."
“Being a widower he may have been allowed to join her but instead forsook his own rescue, choosing to provide the masses with one more chance to know Christ. Harper ran person to person, passionately telling others about Christ. As the water began to submerge the “unsinkable” ship, Harper was heard shouting, “women, children, and the unsaved into the lifeboats.” Rebuffed by a certain man at the offer of salvation Harper gave him his own life vest, saying, “you need this more than I do.” Up until the last moment on the ship Harper pleaded with people to give their lives to Jesus. Does that sound like an atheist to you?? You know a lot of atheists that try to get people saved??
“The ship disappeared beneath the deep frigid waters leaving hundreds floundering in its wake with no realistic chance for rescue. Harper struggled through hyperthermia to swim to as many people as he could, still sharing the Gospel. Harper eventually would lose his battle with hypothermia but not before giving many people one last glorious Gospel witness.
“Four years after the tragedy at a Titanic survivor’s meeting in Ontario, Canada, one survivor recounted his interaction with Harper in the middle of the icy waters of the Atlantic. He testified he was clinging to ship debris when Harper swam up to him, twice challenging him with a biblical invitation to “believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.” He rejected the offer once. Yet given the second chance and with miles of water beneath his feet, the man gave his life to Christ.
Then as Harper succumbed to his watery grave, this new believer was rescued by a returning lifeboat. As he concluded his remarks at the Ontario meeting of survivors he simply stated, “I am the last convert of John Harper.”
This is not the testimony of an atheist pastor! This is the testimony of a man who in his last moments of life was sharing the Gospel with the lost. Please stop twisting this into something it clearly isn't.
No ---I am saying that you said you know this mam Had the Holy Spirit and is a true Christian cause he was preaching the Gospel ----
I am saying YOU have no real proof that this Man preaching the Gospel is a Saved Man cause you don't know if this man has the indwelling of the Holy spirit ---and that is the only way as person can become a saved person and a real God preaching Minister who preaches what the Holy spirit tells them to preach -----
Your the ONE making the claim that He is a True Christian ----when you have no idea if he is or isn't ----
Anyone can get a bible out and preach the words in God's book ---but that does NOT mean that they are True Christians ------
That is what I am saying ----
AND ----------- you make the claim that He is a true Holy spirit filled person --a Real Minister --so the burden of proof is on you to show that he has the Holy Spirit indwelling in him ------and you can't -----
You're talking utter nonsense. Someone who isn't spirit filled wouldn't do what this preacher did. Just stop. It's a stupid argument you're trying to make. The Bible says we know people by their fruits. You're arguing just to argue. Not making a lick of sense.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control
If you don't see that in the story of this man, you're blind.
OR just maybe your Blind -----just because someone preached the Logos word ---which is YOUR CLAIM --does not Mean they are a true Christian ------
So go ahead -----Prove this man had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and produced these fruits from the indwelling of the Holy SPirit -
I await your response with the PROOF
AND SO =====
Unbelievers------ have patience ---love ---joy --peace ---kindness ---goodness ----Faithfulness--gentleness and self Control at times --------so all your doing here is ----
GRASPING AT STRAWS -----
