HS-Baptism & AI

PAC-fit · Sunday at 9:01 AM

Baptism of the Holy Spirit (BHS), AI Helps & Hazards of sorting out the BHS

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,
in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that all of you agree with one another
in what you say and that there be no
divisions among you, but that you be
perfectly united in mind and thought.

fulfill my joy so that you
may be of the same mind

Bring the, , the books,
especially the parchments.
(1Cor 1:10, Phil 2:2, 2Tim 4:13)

I suspect most will reflexively note, not such mystery at all, is this continuing denominational schism over BHS. Ever run a search on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit (BHS) on past CC posts? Really! Unless the algorithms aren’t treating me well, the subject isn’t very visible, at least not for rudimentary teachings such as BHS. Why focus on BHS? Or why consider the possibility of acquiring ‘’power from on high’’ without being high-minded? At the very least, why not for the simple joy in His kingdom,

Now the Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(2Cor 3:17)

If the student of the word went for an understanding of it, it would appear to him to be a largely a non-frequented or toxic subject. That is entirely unfortunate. Due to the fact of wide-spread disunity over the teaching of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, and though leadership agrees with it's teaching, a continual silence on it if they wish to retain membership. Also unfortunate is to experience watering down the truth till there is nothing left. The masses should be able to recognize this!

Has this rudimentary truth been shelved?

So, this interest of mine isn’t over the accuracy of AI, but the condition of BHS among the flock of God. No matter where a dogma or doctrine has originated or evolved into, does it hold up to God’s will as shown in His word? The gathering I assigned to AI was interesting. That doesn’t mean it was correct in all instances. Nevertheless, I suspect, the Baptism in/with/of the Holy Spirit lack of visibility is due to a small variety of factors. Here is an un-edited gathering from AI why that is, all AI commentary in blue, you may want to do the same for all subsequent AI-generated text if so inclined.

AI Definition of BHS Reluctance:

The BHS is a profound spiritual experience that signifies the infilling of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life. This event is often accompanied by various spiritual gifts, such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and greater boldness in faith. However, despite its significance, the BHS often lacks visibility in many contemporary Christian discussions and teachings.

Several reasons contribute to this lack of visibility. Firstly, theological differences among Christian denominations lead to varied interpretations and emphasis on the BHS. While Pentecostal and Charismatic movements place a strong focus on this experience, other denominations may regard it as less central to their faith practice. Secondly, cultural shifts and secular influences have led to a general decline in spiritual discussions within public and private spheres.

Moreover, the rise of individualism in modern societies has often relegated communal and spiritual experiences to the background. The emphasis on personal belief systems and the privatization of faith have further diminished the collective acknowledgment and discussion of the BHS. Consequently, many believers may experience the BHS in isolation, without the support or understanding of their broader faith community.

Addressing this lack of visibility requires a renewed commitment to fostering open, inclusive conversations about the BHS within Christian communities. By sharing personal testimonies, engaging in theological dialogues, and educating believers about the significance and benefits of the BHS, the Christian faith can reintroduce this vital aspect of spiritual life into the collective consciousness.

PAC-fit · Sunday at 9:02 AM

AI Overview of BHS Throughout Christendom,

Exploration of Diverse Interpretations and Practices of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit (BHS)

The Baptism with the Holy Spirit (BHS) is an event of profound spiritual significance, marking the infilling of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life. This transformative experience is often associated with various spiritual gifts, including speaking in tongues, prophecy, and a deeper boldness in faith. However, the interpretation, emphasis, and practice of BHS vary widely across different Christian denominations.

Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements
Pentecostal and Charismatic movements place a central focus on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. For these groups, the BHS is a distinct and subsequent experience to conversion, often evidenced by speaking in tongues (glossolalia). This phenomenon is seen as the initial physical evidence of the Holy Spirit's infilling. Additionally, these movements emphasize the continual presence and operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as healing, prophecy, and discernment.

Originating in the early 20th century with the Azusa Street Revival, Pentecostalism spread rapidly and has since become a global movement. Charismatic Christianity, which emerged in the mid-20th century, shares many of the same beliefs but tends to be more ecumenical, encompassing members from various denominations, including Catholic, Anglican, and mainline Protestant churches.

Roman Catholic Church
In the Roman Catholic Church, the BHS is closely associated with the sacrament of Confirmation. This sacrament is believed to bestow a special outpouring of the Holy Spirit, enriching the believer with strength to witness and live out their faith. While the Catholic Church recognizes the potential for extraordinary gifts (charisms) such as healing and prophecy, these are considered exceptional and are not the primary focus.

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal, a movement within the Church that began in the 1960s, embraces a more Pentecostal-like understanding of the BHS. Participants seek a personal and experiential relationship with the Holy Spirit, often accompanied by speaking in tongues and other spiritual gifts.

Eastern Orthodox Church
The Eastern Orthodox Church views the BHS as integral to the entire process of Christian initiation, which includes Baptism, Chrismation (Confirmation), and the Eucharist. Chrismation, conducted immediately after Baptism, involves anointing with holy oil (chrism) and is seen as the believer's personal Pentecost, when they receive the Holy Spirit. The Orthodox tradition emphasizes the Holy Spirit's ongoing work in the believer's life and the importance of cultivating a relationship with the Spirit through prayer, fasting, and participation in the sacraments.

In the Eastern Orthodox understanding, the BHS is not marked by specific outward signs but is evidenced by a life of holiness and the fruits of the Spirit, such as love, joy, peace, and self-control.

Mainline Protestant Denominations
Mainline Protestant denominations, including Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and Reformed churches, generally view the BHS as occurring at the time of conversion or baptism. For these groups, the Holy Spirit is believed to be present and active in all believers, equipping them for service and sanctification. The emphasis is on the transformative power of the Holy Spirit in a believer's daily life, rather than on specific spiritual gifts.

Some branches of Methodism, particularly those influenced by the Holiness Movement, emphasize a "second blessing" or "entire sanctification," which is seen as a deeper work of the Holy Spirit, bringing about a state of Christian perfection and empowering the believer for service.

Evangelical Christianity
Among Evangelical Christians, the BHS is understood in various ways, often depending on the theological leanings of the specific group. Some Evangelicals align closely with Pentecostal and Charismatic beliefs, emphasizing a post-conversion experience accompanied by spiritual gifts. Others view the BHS as synonymous with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation, marking the believer's regeneration and adoption into the family of God.

The common thread in Evangelicalism is the belief in the Holy Spirit's role in empowering believers for evangelism and personal holiness. The focus is on the transformative impact of the Holy Spirit in producing Christlike character and enabling effective witness to the gospel.

Theological Differences and Cultural Influences
The diversity of interpretations and practices surrounding the BHS is rooted in theological differences among Christian denominations. These differences are influenced by various factors, including historical context, scriptural interpretation, and cultural influences.

The rise of secularism and individualism in modern societies has also contributed to the lack of visibility of the BHS in contemporary Christian discussions. As communal and spiritual experiences become more privatized, the collective acknowledgment and discussion of the BHS diminish. Many believers may experience the BHS in isolation, without the support or understanding of their broader faith community.

Fostering Open Conversations
Addressing the lack of visibility of the BHS requires a renewed commitment to fostering open, inclusive conversations within Christian communities. By sharing personal testimonies, engaging in theological dialogues, and educating believers about the significance and benefits of the BHS, the Christian faith can reintroduce this vital aspect of spiritual life into the collective consciousness.

Sharing Personal Testimonies
Personal testimonies are powerful tools for bridging understanding and fostering a shared experience. By creating spaces where believers can openly share their encounters with the Holy Spirit, communities can build a greater appreciation for the diversity of the Holy Spirit's work.

Engaging in Theological Dialogues
Theological dialogues that respect and explore the various interpretations of the BHS can enrich the faith community's understanding. By examining scriptural foundations and historical developments, believers can gain a more comprehensive view of the BHS and its implications for their faith journey.

Educating Believers
Education plays a crucial role in fostering understanding and appreciation for the BHS. By offering teaching and resources on the Holy Spirit's role and the significance of the BHS, churches can equip their members with the knowledge needed to embrace and celebrate this aspect of their faith.

In conclusion, the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is a multifaceted and deeply significant experience within Christendom. While interpretations and emphases vary across denominations, the BHS remains a powerful testament to the transformative work of the Holy Spirit in believers' lives. By fostering open conversations, sharing testimonies, and providing education, the Christian community can bring renewed visibility and appreciation to this vital aspect of spiritual life.

Magenta · Sunday at 11:48 AM

Ephesians 4:5-6

homwardbound · Sunday at 12:53 PM

I note this over it all
Jesus was not trained by anyone on earth in any Temple by any Levite, And John the Baptist was a Levite, who water Baptized Jesus, fro Jesus to fulfill the entire Law of Moses. not even trained by John. John said to Jesus he needed to be Baptized by Jesus. Jesus said to him for now John was to do this, why? To fulfill the Law of Moses.

Do we yet see the new

Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
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Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
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Hebrews 7:14
For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
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Hebrews 7:24
but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Eli1 · Sunday at 1:09 PM

PAC-fit said:

AI Overview of BHS Throughout Christendom,

Eastern Orthodox Church
The Eastern Orthodox Church views the BHS as integral to the entire process of Christian initiation, which includes Baptism, Chrismation (Confirmation), and the Eucharist. Chrismation, conducted immediately after Baptism, involves anointing with holy oil (chrism) and is seen as the believer's personal Pentecost, when they receive the Holy Spirit. The Orthodox tradition emphasizes the Holy Spirit's ongoing work in the believer's life and the importance of cultivating a relationship with the Spirit through prayer, fasting, and participation in the sacraments.

In the Eastern Orthodox understanding, the BHS is not marked by specific outward signs but is evidenced by a life of holiness and the fruits of the Spirit, such as love, joy, peace, and self-control.

I can confirm that this is correct.

GRACE_ambassador · Sunday at 3:18 PM

PAC-fit said:

Precious friend, you do realize, of course, that BHS ( Baptism of / in) The Holy Spirit (BO/IHS)
is not found In Scripture, but The Following Are Found, eh?:

God's Gift ( Of The Doubly Humble Spirit ):

Sent By The Father And The SON (John 14:26, 15:26), Fulfilling God's Promise (Joel 2:27-29),
Baptism ( By Christ ) With The Spirit, For powers, signs, and wonders (Mark 16:17-18; Acts 5:16),
according to Prophecy for Israel

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

According to The Mystery, for us in the Body Of Christ, today, Under GRACE,
Where God Now Has Only ONE Baptism ( not water ), By The Holy Spirit,
where we Now have no signs and wonders, but after being added to The Body:

"...we walk by faith, not by sight (signs/wonders/dreams/visions)...," (2 Corinthians 5:7),
walking "In The Spirit" (Romans 8:9; Galatians 5:16, 25),
where this "faith worketh by love" (Galatians 5:6).

Power? Certainly, we "glory in our infirmities" (2 Corinthians 12:9)
Full study: God's GRACE Word for infirmities

Amen.

ONE Baptism:

"God Is Faithful, By Whom ye were called unto the fellowship of His

SON Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name

of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there

be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in

the same mind and in the same judgment." (1 Corinthians 1:9-10 AV)

And, Amen!

Cameron143 · Sunday at 3:24 PM

The baptism with the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. They are 2 different operations of the Spirit, and performed by different persons of the Trinity.
Probably best to understand what each entail and do and consist in before moving forward.

Blain · Sunday at 4:21 PM

Now that I think about it the subject isn't spoken of much and it is something I think should even if from testimonies. You would think it would be a top subject however it is surprising how little it is taught or spoken of

PAC-fit · Sunday at 5:22 PM

Eli1 said:

Thank you. Of what little I do know of the EO community, competent Priest / scholars are well stocked.

PAC-fit · Sunday at 6:29 PM

homwardbound said:

I note this over it all
Jesus was not trained by anyone on earth in any Temple by any Levite, And John the Baptist was a Levite, who water Baptized Jesus, fro Jesus to fulfill the entire Law of Moses. not even trained by John. John said to Jesus he needed to be Baptized by Jesus. Jesus said to him for now John was to do this, why? To fulfill the Law of Moses.

Do we yet see the new

Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Hebrews 7:14
For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Hebrews 7:24
but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Am I under the correct understanding that you would far more align with 'GRACEambassador' which chooses to apply Christ and the Apostles each work already fulfilled the necessity of what the OP maintains?

PAC-fit · Sunday at 7:01 PM

GRACE_ambassador said:

''Power? Certainly, we "glory in our infirmities" A subsequent activity to the BHS. Otherwise, I am familiar with the like. And I resist contemporary labels on believers, it is mostly counterproductive to the unity of the Spirit. Where does that leave me here? Well, I would like to think this thread, with God's help will once again, show how He can work something mighty among some of us regular believing folk. And if we are so fortunate after however much progress, we do see a clearing (emphasis on the OP first verse), that would indeed be a thread of hope for me.

Not my Pentecostal leanings to date, for it lay at the bottom of the stack for pitching the bond of unity of the Spirit to the wind. I know that spirit of elitism all to well. But if God does so bless here then all who align with the premise as yours is here that His sacred spiritual blessings as recorded are now ceased, then you will be right back where you started, , Not having any record of those of like vision who truly did implement 1John 4:1, Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

If it was tested before and failed, then I would say the blessing lacked the protection of the OPs 1Cor 1:10. So, you see my direction in all this right? Something that went missing ages ago above all, to let understanding incorrectly be the guide at the expense of V-10. How did that happen, but those close-to-home traits of the flesh the Apostles warned us of.

Blain · Sunday at 8:01 PM

you know the unity in spirit thing that is something that has bugged me for a ehile now ypu wpi;d think if we all have the spirit in us then by that same spirit there would be unity in us mot division.

Seasons · Sunday at 8:04 PM

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homwardbound · Monday at 8:19 AM

PAC-fit said:

I align with no flesh, not even myself. I know the evil I have done as well as others of flesh and blood
I put no trust in myself or anyone else
We all continue to basically talk about ourselves and use Son as the way the truth and new life
What I posted above is what Son has done and who Son is for us to be new in Father's Spirit and Truth by Father alone

PAC-fit · Monday at 8:27 AM

homwardbound said:

Excellent, some valid points to add there. As far as this thread is concerned, possibly, you would find these non-fanfare testimonies of the Son's promise of interest?

Several testimonies are available on the web but, I thought it would be beneficial to highlight some notable ones who’s testimonies were quite off-track. Here are some famous shakers of their time who testified to being Baptized in the Holy Spirit without the ‘requirement’ of formal protocols nor of speaking in tongues (1Cor 12:30), but the other lesser spoken enablement to help them as recorded in Acts 1:8,

‘’But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit
comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses
in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the ends of the earth.’’

Which today, a large crop consistently through unbelief as though ceased, is shown through these testifying occurrences to the contrary,

“I was crying all the time that God would fill me with His Spirit. Well, one day, in the city of New York -- oh, what a day! -- I cannot describe it, I seldom refer to it; it is almost too sacred an experience to name… I can only say that God revealed Himself to me, and I had such an experience of His love that I had to ask Him to stay His hand. I went to preaching again. The sermons were no different; I did not present any new truths, and yet hundreds were converted. I would not now be placed back where I was before that blessed experience if you should give me all the world -- it would be as the small dust of balance.” - D.L. Moody

“As I turned and was about to take a seat by the fire, I received a mighty baptism of the Holy Ghost. Without any expectation of it, without ever having the thought in my mind that there was any such thing for me, without any recollection that I had ever heard the thing mentioned by any person in the world, the Holy Spirit descended upon me in a manner that seemed to go through me, body and soul. I could feel the impression, like a wave of electricity, going through and through me. Indeed it seemed to come in waves and waves of liquid love, for I could not express it in any other way. It seemed like the very breath of God. I can recollect distinctly that it seemed to fan me, like immense wings

No words can express the wonderful love that was shed abroad in my heart. I wept aloud with joy and love; and I do not know but I should say, I literally bellowed out the unutterable gushings of my heart. These waves came over me, and over me, one after the other, until I recollect I cried out, ‘I shall die if these waves continue to pass over me. I said, ‘Lord, I cannot bear any more; yet I had no fear of death.” - Charles Finney

“I had been a minister for some years before I came to the place where I saw that I had no right to preach until I was definitely baptized with the Holy Ghost… Then just as far as I could, I shut myself up alone in my study and spent the time continually on my knees asking God to baptize me with the Holy Spirit… I recall the exact spot where I was kneeling in prayer in my study… It was a very quiet moment, one of the most quiet moments I ever knew… Then God simply said to me, not in any audible voice, but in my heart, ‘It’s yours. Now go and preach.”

“Some time after this experience (I do not recall just how long after), while sitting in my room one day, that very same room… suddenly, as near as I can describe it, though it does not exactly describe it, I was struck from my chair onto the floor and I found myself shouting (I was not brought up to shout and I am not of the shouting temperament, but I shouted like the loudest shouting Methodist), ‘Glory to God, glory to God, glory to God,’ and I could not stop. I tried to stop, but it was just as if some other power than my own was moving my jaws. At last, when I had succeeded in pulling myself together, I went downstairs and told my wife what had just happened. But that was not when I was baptized with the Holy Spirit. I was baptized with the Holy Spirit when I took Him by faith in the naked Word of God…” - R.A. Torrey

"I have also been greatly shaped by experiencing the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I once had a great experience, probably the profoundest in God, in preparing the message on mercy. In Ma Brogger's trailer up at the farm, the Lord lifted the veil, so much as a crack, and beams of light came forth in such a way that I was found two hours later when she returned with a friend, stretched out on the floor, on my face and unable to move. I was surrounded by wads of soaking kleenexes from my tears, and she went right to the phone to call for an ambulance; I could only gesture that it was not necessary, but I could not speak, I was so overcome by the power and the glory that had issued from this little crack of God's revelation. Finally, they put me up on a seat, and I tried to explain what had happened. It was now time for me to speak, so they wanted to drive me down to the camp. I said that I could not get into a car, nor could I even ride on my bike. I could not touch anything made by man, and I could not even walk down the regular road to the camp; I said that I had to go the back way, so as to not see anyone before I went up onto the platform. That is how profound an experience that was." - Art Katz

homwardbound · Monday at 9:47 AM

PAC-fit said:

God is working it all out in you and through you, as that be what I see God does for us all. God knowing the truth in what each person needs to see and hear from God being that wind that where it comes from no one knows, yet God Father is sincere for us all

My first experience with Father
I was age 12, I was a girls show offer at age 12, I was the one too see in my haughtiness as if I am king. I was that way at a young age

At a Church camp in Skylandia, Lake Tahoe. There for a week, I was a show off, and did things as a joke and thought I was funny
It was the last night of camp a Saturday night. We all went to a fire about two miles from the cabin. When it was over and we all were to go back to the cabin. I was asked to put out the fire and would see them back at the cabin
I put it out with sand, and then went to go back to that cabin, I found me without a coat and a flashlight, yet arrogant as I was, I went forward anyways. I stepped into a hole and I think I twisted my ankle. All I know is I was down and put my hands in the prayer mode, the next thing I know, I was standing in front of the cabin, my arms I saw were coming down in front of me
I was wow, woe is me, amazed and thankful. I ran into that cabin, and began apologizing to all the people there, about my haughtiness and causing harm, yelling God is real
Then two years later my youngest sister died at age 18 on an overdose of Heroin, I was 14 then
This perplexed me and life continued, as I simply would not deny God, just like Job would not
I know, God is real, as real as the air I breath to live physically and God loves us all
Not seen by many, that want what they want and will not believe unless they are given what they want, these I have seen give up on God as in the Movie 'God is not dead"
Enlightening movie to me, I watch movies and seek for any "Gold Nuggets" in them
Like when Bruce in "Bruce Almighty" Asked God. How can I get anyone to love me, without taking away anyone's free will?
Or in Magnum force "A man has got to know his own limitations"
Gold Nuggets are all over the place to face and see new in love to all for me at least
Amen to you about your journey, once you know you know
So by God you are shown God loves to you too, So you see it is not you that saves you or keeps you saved, it is God for you, in thanksgiving and praise. I tried to do it to keep it, that has never worked for me, but to get proud and guilty over and over and over again under Law, that "I" am not able to do perfectly ever. So God Father by Son did it for us all to love all whether another believes it or not. God's love wins and won over evil forever in that thankfulness I now get as this world continues to try to snuff that out in thought(s)
I see emotions from thought does not know right from wrong and when emotions lead I am in trouble again.
So I see to take all thought captive to the obedience of Christ, who was dead by Father only
Me learning this truth daily and abiding in it bt trust belief to Father in risen Son. that is the only way I see to stay out of carnal behaviors as in 1 Cor 3 tells me about it

PAC-fit · Monday at 10:26 AM

Cameron143 said:

As a dear sister in Christ pointed out, there are three that ''agree in one'', which I didn't see you cover, ,

"And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the Spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one."
1 John 5:7-8

In Hebrews is the rudimentary, ‘’doctrine of baptisms’’ (Heb 6:2). The above three are continued in 3 separate baptisms:

BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST BODY (BLOOD)
1. By The Holy Spirit is the baptism for salvation. Baptized into the body of Christ by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection. (Rev 1:5; Matt 26:28; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luk 3:3; 1 Cor 12:13: Acts 2:38: Gal 3:27, +++)

When we become believers then we are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Eph 1:13

BAPTIZED by WATER and SPIRIT
Water and Spirit baptism follows – no chronological order required:
2. By another believer (water baptism) (Matt 28:19, Matt 3:16 Philip with the eunuch "...when they were come up out of the water..." Acts 8:39.

3. By Jesus with or into The Holy Spirit (The Spirit baptism) Believers already have the Holy Spirit but this baptism endures us with power for service. (Acts 1:5 8: Acts 8:14-17; 10:44-48, Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16; Acts 11:16)'

Cameron143 · Monday at 11:16 AM

PAC-fit said:

As I said, the baptism WITH the Spirit is different from baptism OF the Spirit. Let's look at the differences:

Baptism of the Spirit:
...found in 1 Corinthians 12:13
...performed by the Spirit
...places the believer into Christ
...nonexperiential
...judicial positional change

Baptism with the Spirit:
...found in Ephesians 1:13
...referenced in Matthew 3:11
...first witnessed the day of Pentecost
...occurs frequently throughout the book of Acts
...performed by Jesus
...experiential
...purpose is to confirm to the believer the assurance of salvation and empower ministry

Hope this helps.

PAC-fit · Monday at 3:55 PM

Cameron143 said:

Sure, for me it has been ages, and I have relegated those to His as synonymous proximities of the Spirit. I do understand every ''jot and tittle shall in no wise pass'', Is ''with'', ''of'' one of those times? Or, anything you personally recall coming out of close attention to benefit as profitable? Or, is it such a close intent that exceeds the need for a firm address (Rm 9:15, Lk 3:16)? I am all ears and intent if you feel carelessness exist from here on out.

Cameron143 · Monday at 4:10 PM

PAC-fit said:

Sure, for me it has been ages, and I have relegated those to His as synonymous proximities of the Spirit. I do understand every ''jot and tittle shall in no wise pass'', Is ''with'', ''of'' one of those times? Or, anything you personally recall coming out of close attention to benefit as profitable? Or, is it such a close intent that exceeds the need for a firm address (Rm 9:15, Lk 3:16)? I am all ears and intent if you feel carelessness exist from here on out.

I'm not sure what you are asking. Can you clarify?

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