Faith without repentance is Dead !

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Magenta

Magenta

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John 1:1 + 14a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
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Jeremiah33v3

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Your title says: "Faith without repentance is dead"
Why would anyone say that?

Let us see what the word of God says...
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
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What is a gift and calling of God?
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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Looks like your religion is dead. For the Bible says repentance is not needed, that faith is a GIFT...
How is faith given?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Amen!
Faith alone for salvation, any other way, you go to the pits of hell.

So the only reason someone would say faith without repentance is dead, is because they have never read the Scriptures...
 
keepingthingsreal

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Jeremiah33v3 said:
So the only reason someone would say faith without repentance is dead, is because they have never read the Scriptures...
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Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Repentance from dead works is foundational, and it precedes faith toward God.
 
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Jeremiah33v3

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keepingthingsreal said:
Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Repentance from dead works is foundational, and it precedes faith toward God.
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Um bud, context is KEY.

Hebrews 6:1 and VERSE 2.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
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Where is the doctrine of laying on hands for the church?
WHERE IS IT?

Jesus promises those in the CHURCH that they can never perish.
John 10:27-28
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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Yet Hebrews 6 says:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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Weird, they contradict...

Let's see what John said in 1 John 2.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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So let's get this Straight...

Jesus claims the Church will NEVER be lost or fall away or perish.
John claims if the church sins, they are still saved because Jesus took that sin on the cross...

The writer of Hebrews says that if a person sins, they cannot be saved...

Maybe, just maybe.... Gal 3:28...
The writer of Hebrews is writing to the HEBREWS and not the Church.

Crazy concept I know, assuming that the book titled HEBREWS is to the HEBREWS and not the Church.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Because if you are of the Church you ain't a hebrew. Your a Christian.

Funny how you guys always go to books focusing on the LAW and Millenial Kingdom and Tribulation to try to prove your works based salvation...
Hey, rapture is coming soon, if you really want to get saved by works, you will have your opportunity when the 7 year tribulation comes.
I won't be here, I will be gone because I am faith alone in what Jesus did for me. I don't need to do any works, I have righteousness IMPUTED onto me.
You have fun trying to save yourself...
 
HeIsHere

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Jeremiah33v3 said:
Jesus claims the Church will NEVER be lost or fall away or perish.
John claims if the church sins, they are still saved because Jesus took that sin on the cross...

The writer of Hebrews says that if a person sins, they cannot be saved...

Maybe, just maybe.... Gal 3:28...
The writer of Hebrews is writing to the HEBREWS and not the Church.
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This is some kind of hyper-dispensationalism.
There are no contradictions or different Gospels.
 
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HeIsHere said:
This is some kind of hyper-dispensationalism.
There are no contradictions or different Gospels.
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Hyperdispensationalism is starting the church age in Acts 2, 8, 15, etc...


Hyperdispensationalism is NOT pointing out the fact that different books have different audiences... For example, Leviticus says someone following God cannot eat shellfish it is an unclean abomination.
1 Timothy says a person following God can eat shellfish it is clean.
Why? Because John 1:17 Acts 10, Galatians 2.

Deuteronomy says that you have to follow the law to get righteousness.
Galatians says that if you follow the law you CANNOT get righteousness.
Why? Because Col 2, 1 cor 15, Romans 4.

James says that all rich men go to hell.
Galatians says that rich men can get saved.
Why? James is in tribulation where the only way to be rich is to take the mark of the beast, Galatians is in the church age.


There ain't no contradictions in Scripture. There are different dispensations.
 
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Jeremiah33v3

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HeIsHere said:
Hmm well, I will leave this up to others to de-tangle.
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James 2:2
For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
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Here James instead of saying richman, says a man with a gold ring.
James is calling ALL men with gold rings rich.

What happens in James chapter 5?

Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
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Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
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All the rich men are going to be destroyed by God and go to hell.

YET, In galatians, richmen are saved....

Buddy this ain't the biggest issue with James... Want to see the biggest issue? Want to see why the catholics and mormons and all the false teachers love the book of James?

Ill show you.
Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
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The spirit in the believers in the book of James ENVIES.
Look at that!
What is envy? Lets go to galatians 5.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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You see that? Envy is a SIN.

So the people in the book of James have a spirit of SIN.
YET! A Christian has the Spirit of God.

Maybe, just Maybe... James is written to the JEWS just as the book says!
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
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The reason all those false teachers love to apply the book of James to people is because they say they are jews and are not, and their spirit envies.

I am not a Jew, nor does my Spirit envy for I have the Spirit of Christ. There is NO WAY James can apply to me.
 
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Jeremiah33v3

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keepingthingsreal said:
"Bud?"

Is that what you have been drinking?

Your comments are so messed up that I would not even know where to begin as far as correcting them is concerned.

Btw, I am putting you on ignore, so do not bother answering for my sake.
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Bud is slang for buddy which is a term of address.The same as Dude, Boss, Guy, Friend, etc.

But, I find it fitting you were so soon to slander me.

Acts 2:13
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
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Luke 7:34
The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
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I am in good company, thanks for mocking me that way
 
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Jeremiah33v3

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Repentance is a turning from sin unto God, through Jesus Christ, and faith is the acceptance of Christ in order to our return to God.
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Genesis 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
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Amazing how you works based salvationists always Blaspheme God.

If repentance is turning from sin, what sin are you accusing God of doing?
 
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Repentance is all of grace and not works.
Repentance is an ongoing thing as a Christian also as we are sinners until we are glorified and made perfect in Christ
Psalm 51 is a psalm of repentance,
 

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