Concerning the gift of tongues

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The church does not speak nonsense, Pentecostals and their ilk speak nonsense.

My proof?

The same evidence that proves babies and the delusional are babbling.

How can someone tell they are babbling, the same way you know they are babbling.

You listen.
if that is your proof I guess you're and evoluiontist too. LOL.


"Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength, Because of Your enemies, You may silence the enemy and the avenger."

Yes I listen very well. But as you were told, you are not an authority. :)
 
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Again, this is the verse that Dino246 referred to:

Romans 11:29
King James Version

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

No mention of miracles. You are the one injecting miracles into the verse.

Wakey wakey.

God has revoked many gifts.
Not in the bible
You 100% made it up, or you have been decieved by wrong teachers.
 
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if that is your proof I guess you're and evoluiontist too. LOL.


"Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength, Because of Your enemies, You may silence the enemy and the avenger."

Yes I listen very well. But as you were told, you are not an authority. :)
Amen
It is the same Jesus and Holy Spirit that was empowering the church 2k yrs ago.

Hard to believe there are those hoping to have less power , intimacy and anointing.
SMH
Flat out bizarre.
 
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INFLUENCE!
We were always told to stay away from the wrong crowd because of their influence on us!
Did Jesus argue with the Devil? NO!!
He/she who participates with/against ungodly mockers will take upon themselves at least some of their traits.
Thus the name-calling begins.
Did you ever notice that christians have a bad habit of going further with a mocker because they 'feel' justified by doing so?
That isn't the Spirit leading them to do that. They are being beguiled, tricked to comply with them so the mocker's arguments can continue, as they have done. The mocker then drags everyone down with him that argues with him.
Please, brethren, don't let him do that.
Paul instructed the Corinthian church to get rid of the adulterer before sin spread thru the body putting up with it.
The mocker has proven his identity & should be banned. If not you can argue with him in the next 10 Ops he starts.

Your posts piqued my interest in mockers. So I looked up verses about mockers in the Bible:

Proverbs 21:24
The proud and arrogant person—“Mocker” is his name— behaves with insolent fury.

Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,

So mockers are arrogant and abusive. And we shouldn't keep company with them, because you're right - they CAN influence you to be nasty like they are.


Mockers don't recognize or accept wisdom. That's why you can't convince him that gifts of the Holy Spirit are still in operation today, and are unable to discern what the Bible says. Their abusive posts break TOS rules of the forums.

Proverbs 1:22
“How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?

Proverbs 14:6
The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none, but knowledge comes easily to the discerning.

Proverbs 9:7
Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.


Some people are saying it's inappropriate to report mockers in the forums but it actually wise to do so according to the Bible:

Proverbs 22:10
Drive out the mocker,
and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended.

Abusive behavior should never be tolerated just for the sake of Christian unity. Jesus himself didn't tolerate it during His entire 3-year ministry and would move out of harm's way. He only allowed the abuse at the end of his ministry when He was arrested and sent to die on the cross. This is a forum however, where you can't just avoid or ignore it. The abusive posts remain and aren't deleted. What recourse does the abused have in that case?

@Edify - I understand what you're saying and you've made a good case.


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All the time spent with an adversary does is either wear you down or make you more like him.
I would suggest getting him/them banned, getting him/them far away from you.
Get them banned for having a different opinion or understanding of a scripture? Bring on the thought police.... sheesh....
stick your fingers in your ears and chant "lalalalalalalala"..... :censored:
 

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Get them banned for having a different opinion or understanding of a scripture? Bring on the thought police.... sheesh....
stick your fingers in your ears and chant "lalalalalalalala"..... :censored:
I've been on other sites that will ban such insolent behavior, & they are more peaceful for it.
Blessed are the peacemakers....

But, I suppose if they weren't here most of us wouldn't have anything to do, would we?
 

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Get them banned for having a different opinion or understanding of a scripture? Bring on the thought police.... sheesh....
stick your fingers in your ears and chant "lalalalalalalala"..... :censored:
You haven't tracked this one guy, have you?
 

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Yes, you cannot picture that a steamed-up Paul would have been casting stones rather than standing by
holding Stephen's Coat and who recommended excommunication rather than execution.
Try reading the 288 TOP in order to understand the mind of Paul, who had the mind of Christ per 1 Corinthians 3.
If its in scripture, then I picture it. Paul I get; you are not Paul but I can absolutely believe you think you are on equal ground. As you are a Calvinist (feel free to dissociate if not true) your automatic tendency is to believe you are on top of the heap. Perhaps one day you can correct Paul on anything you think he might have got wrong
 

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Again, this is the verse that Dino246 referred to:

Romans 11:29
King James Version

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

No mention of miracles. You are the one injecting miracles into the verse.

Wakey wakey.

God has revoked many gifts.
Try to keep up and if you cannot, then don't insert yourself into conversations that were not about you. The particular assertion by your pal lamar, was that forgiveness was a miracle. I don't have the time nor the inclination to point you to it so find it yourself
 

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Just conceding dots (scripture), and basing conclusions upon the proper situations and timeframes, not taking things out of linear and logical context as most do. What do the scriptures say, to whom, when, and what were the issues present there at that time???
To us both then and now and future as long as "Christ tarries" (to quote a certain denom)
 
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You haven't tracked this one guy, have you?
If they are posting or debating "concept vs concept", it will usually invoke lively debate.
If it deteriorates into personal attacks, or out and out blatant heresy, mods can step in and scold them, or lock the thread, or ban somebody.

It's different if they are seeking answers or guidance, vs teaching garbage with authority.
 

ocean

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Paul was indeed a leading example of what we as believers should be and knowing you as long as I have I would say you are indeed like him in nature, I wonder who I am like in the bible I have always felt a connection with david he is perhaps the one I most feel akin to
Sorry Blain but Paul himself said not to emulate him or any other person. He said to be like Christ. The mind of Christ meaning to follow or be like. As far as that goes, in regards to Christ, He was not without emotion either. Don't fall for the meaningless blather
 

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Hmm... the NIV and NASB have "mature" here, not "perfect". In English, they are very different concepts.


Stretched beyond the breaking point. It is unreasonable to believe that Paul's second letter to the Corinthians contains the explanation for a concept presented in his first letter. You have made the error of anachronism. Further, you're making the argument that Gentile Christians (who are probably unfamiliar with the Old Testament scriptures) would know and understand an oblique reference to an obscure passage in the Torah.

For your argument to be sound, it must be cohesive, congruent, and complete. You've failed to address the incomplete knowledge and to identify either the "imperfect" or the "perfect" adequately.

Verse 8 notes the pending cessation of knowledge, prophecies (plural), and tongues, all of which are gifts presented in the latter verses of chapter 12. These are all revelatory gifts, and it makes "perfect" sense that when there is no more need for revelation, then revelatory gifts will cease. Are we there yet? No.

If we had full knowledge (as we are fully known), then we wouldn't need to study Scripture. We wouldn't need preachers, and we wouldn't need to debate the meaning and application of Scripture. We still know in part, and still need the revelation that (at times) comes through study and prayer.

We don't yet see face to face. We aren't yet fully mature. We will get there, but not in this season. God still gives revelatory gifts including tongues because His church still needs them.
I don't believe they have actually taken the time to be familiar with I and II Corinthians for they did, they would have a very different picture of Paul as both a man and as God's chosen to go to the Gentiles.
 

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Get them banned for having a different opinion or understanding of a scripture? Bring on the thought police.... sheesh....
stick your fingers in your ears and chant "lalalalalalalala"..... :censored:
Maybe that is what you do, but I certainly don't and I don't know anyone who does. Although I have to admit some of the posts in this thread pretty much sound like lalalala etc. Ignorance is really not bliss
 
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If its in scripture, then I picture it. Paul I get; you are not Paul but I can absolutely believe you think you are on equal ground. As you are a Calvinist (feel free to dissociate if not true) your automatic tendency is to believe you are on top of the heap. Perhaps one day you can correct Paul on anything you think he might have got wrong
I am a Christian and a Paulian (which is why I named my son Paul),
and I invite you to learn his teachings on our website:

<truthseekersfellowship.com>

GWH,
(a lead learner of GW :^)
 

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I am a Christian and a Paulian (which is why I named my son Paul),
and I invite you to learn his teachings on our website:

<truthseekersfellowship.com>

GWH,
(a lead learner of GW :^)
And a Calvinist since you don't deny it. Whatever. If you only knew how extremely unimpressed I am. Really. I won't bother to post all I am or have done since it will be judged by fire one day and God will be the judge.

Having your own private interpretation/translation just puts you right up there with several other cults IMO