Ham saw his father naked, why Noah cursed Canaan (Son of Ham) instead of Ham?

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Cameron143

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You're welcome to your conclusions, but I would encourage you to tone down your arrogance. My conclusion is based on Scripture just as much as yours is.
My apologies. So what scripture are you employing that allows for reproduction between kinds?
 
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Do you mean like that Nasa's photo of the day for May 3, 2012 of M106 that is 22-25 million light years away? Let's see the negatives...

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God is capable of creating Space that measures quadrillion years away without the creation of Space actually taking that much time to come into existence. God can make it all happen in a single command that only takes 5 minutes but it is so vast we cannot explore it from point A to point Z in a 1,000 human lifetimes even if we lived to be Methuselah's age of 969. So photographs and measurements don't actually explain how and the length of time it took God to speak it into existence.
 
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None of which says that angels can have offspring with humans.
Also notice, Nephilim were already on the earth in those days before the sons of God went in to the women.
How could the giants, that you refer unto as Nephilim, that the scriptures describe as being mighty men of old age spoke of by others. be on the earth before the sons of God which were the human males that were created on Earth in the beginning?
 
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God is capable of creating Space that measures quadrillion years away without the creation of Space actually taking that much time to come into existence. .
I am not denying that the LORD created space, that is what was created in the beginning when the heaven and earth were created., being that physical body of space. Without space you wouldn't have foundation upon which to build a universe built with mass..
 

Cameron143

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How could the giants, that you refer unto as Nephilim, that the scriptures describe as being mighty men of old age spoke of by others. be on the earth before the sons of God which were the human males that were created on Earth in the beginning?
The term Nephilim isn't mine. It was in the passage.
Without getting into the science of genetics too deeply, all the genes necessary to produce any actual attribute of man was in the genetic code of Adam and Eve. And there are passages of "men of renown" and "mighty men" following the flood. Were these men Nephilim?

My basic argument is that God made much of establishing that things reproduce after their own kind. And since the scripture nowhere says that men and angels are the same kind, there is no biblical basis for an offspring coming from such a union.
 
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The term Nephilim isn't mine. It was in the passage.
Without getting into the science of genetics too deeply, all the genes necessary to produce any actual attribute of man was in the genetic code of Adam and Eve. And there are passages of "men of renown" and "mighty men" following the flood. Were these men Nephilim?

My basic argument is that God made much of establishing that things reproduce after their own kind. And since the scripture nowhere says that men and angels are the same kind, there is no biblical basis for an offspring coming from such a union.

In-kind is a Biblical principle that basically establishes that cell fusion only occurs within the same kind. Of course I am probably using the wrong term but man and primate are two different species since cell fusion is not possible between the two.

Samson was a man of great physical strength that people talked about, David was man of great courage, Solomon was a man of great wisdom that was talked by the people as was David. They would be considered giants of their day.
 
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I'm game, so where is the sun located in the universe if not in the midst of heaven as written in the scripture.
The Sun revolves around the center of the Milky Way galaxy. It is said that it takes approximately 230 million
years for the Sun to complete one orbit around galactic center. This journey is part of the Solar System's movement
within the galaxy, along with the other planets, asteroids, and comets. Our God is an awesome God!



Psalm 19 verse 1
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I am not denying that the LORD created space, that is what was created in the beginning when the heaven and earth were created., being that physical body of space. Without space you wouldn't have foundation upon which to build a universe built with mass..
Understood!

I was thinking that you might be presenting these pictures as evidence to prove the Big Bang Theory based upon it taking the earth and life to come full circle within a timeframe of 13.8 billion years rather than God creating it in 2 of the 7 days of Creation explained in Genesis Chapter One.
 
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The Sun revolves around the center of the Milky Way galaxy. It is said that it takes approximately 230 million years for the Sun to complete one orbit around galactic center.
That doesn't answer the question of where the sun is located in the universe if not the center. Ah, those who will tell you it is revolving around the milky way will also tell you that there is no actual center point of the universe.

According to AI -The concept of a "center of the universe" is a misconception. Modern cosmology, particularly the Big Bang theory, suggests that the universe has no center and no edge. Instead, the entire observable universe is expanding outward from a shared point in time, not a specific location in space.

A third grader proved that the universe that expanded in all directions from a primordial atom has a center point and outer limit.

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That doesn't answer the question of where the sun is located in the universe if not the center. Ah, those who will tell you it is revolving around the milky way will also tell you that there is no actual center point of the universe.

According to AI -The concept of a "center of the universe" is a misconception. Modern cosmology, particularly
the Big Bang theory, suggests that the universe has no center and no edge. Instead, the entire observable
universe is expanding outward from a shared point in time, not a specific location in space.

A third grader proved that the universe that expanded in all directions from a primordial atom has a center point and outer limit.
Sure, a basketball has definable edges and a centre, but we know no such thing of our universe, and the sun
MAY be at the centre of the universe, but that is definitely NOT provable since we do not know the size of our
universe... whereas we do know that our sun is the centre of our solar system, which is part of the Milky Way
Galaxy, which does have a centre, around which our sun revolves.
 
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That just doesn’t play well—

Ham has sex with his mom and the punishment his father exacts is on only one of the grandsons?

Nah— not credible.
Gen_9:18 And the sons of Noah that went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And Ham is the father of Canaan.
Gen_9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.

Lev_18:7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness.
Lev_18:8 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife. It is your father's nakedness.
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Noah was not there at home. When he does return and finds his wife is pregnant with Canaan. This is the beginning of all the mythology of trinity. Noah's wife also had sex with Cush who begat Nimrod.
 
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You're welcome to your conclusions, but I would encourage you to tone down your arrogance. My conclusion is based on Scripture just as much as yours is.
Moreso. His position requires redefining scripture to mean what it doesn't straightforward say.
 
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No. Reuben sleeping with one of his father’s girlfriends is not “the same thing” as sleeping with his mom. And scripture has no trouble saying so, when he slept with his dad’s concubine. It doesn’t use any special code words, it just says it like it is.
Agree. Also note the antidote - the other sons walk in backward and cover their drunken father. This hardly makes sense if Ham had committed incest with his mum. Again, people want to reinterpret the bible to say what it doesn't say. This should never be a default position.