Jesus' death of popular culture, vs. what the Bible says

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Jesus used debt as a metaphor for sin: e.g. The Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:12, 14-15), Parable of the Unmerciful Servant (Matthew 18:21-35), Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman (Luke 7:36-50).

Another place where sin and debt are mentioned together is Colossians 2:13-14 (ESV):

"And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross."

Jesus' death as "payment" is not really words used in the Bible. The more common terms are "redeemed" and "ransom" which typically involve payment.

Hebrews 9:15 (ESV) "Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." (Also Galatians 3:13; 4:5; Titus 2:14; Revelation 14:3-4)

Mark 10:45 (ESV) "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (Also Matthew 20:28; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 Peter 1:18; Revelation 5:9)

I think Jesus paying our sin-debt is perhaps simplified language to describe what is in the Bible, and is not too far off.

Definitely the animal sacrifices are object lessons that should help us understand Jesus' sacrifice. What do you see as the difference between taking away sin and paying the sin debt?

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

@LeeLoving

It is good to explore these areas of doubt for more clarity. Dare I say most people never think to (or dare to) question long-held axioms preached from pulpits.

Some have provided solid answers from the scriptures. Study on them so that the answer you seek may resonate with your spirit.

“Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins.”

“Sin debt “ is not a biblical term but it comes from the idea th at God declared that all sinners must die because of thier sins

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭

The idea is like we all owe God our life because we have all sinned at some point because we sinned

“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut look here what that would mean

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if everyone who sons had to die then everyone is lost to death because we all sin at some point and fall inder condemnation

this is our “ debt “ as sinners to God who declared early that sin is certain death. Or “ the wages of sin is death “

also of Jesus died for our sins Thisnos where the term him dying to pay our sin debt comes from it’s a concept so people can inderersnd . Humans understand debt and owing more than he can pay back and we can nderetwnd forgiveness of a debt also

a Jesus death is the means by which this is fulfilled

“the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”


Thats what this is about fulfilling the above we believe this

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe then do this

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? ( for our sins ) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( the sinner has now died with him to fulfill Gods word of death against sinners ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 7, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ took all sin upon Himself and died in our place because we were going to for sure.

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods word of condemnation unto death for all who sin is fulfilled in the suffering and death of Jesus his son. This is why we must accept him without his death we have to pay the penalty of death for our sins Gods word had to be fulfilled but he didn’t want to end humanity he chose to save us instead offering atonement and a propitiation for the sins we all owed death to repay

sin debt is a concept to help us understand what he’s done for us

if Jesus died for our sins it’s because we had a debt to pay he paid but he’s also going to judge everyone he died for that’s where the misunderstandings arise

usually to inderstsnd the New Testament we need to be familiar with what happened and what God said on the old

he old says we’re hopeless sinners and no one is worthy

a the new says one man was worthy and he took up all our iniquity upon himself suffered for it and died the result is that he can justifiably remit our sins having paid the price in full that was required being death it’s like redeeming a slave in tbe Old Testament you have to pay the redemption price they owe and then they belong to you and you can free them if you choose

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The end of the law is the death of a sinner because the debt they owe for thier sins is reconciled when they die . Jesus took our place and gave us a way to be saved

Willingly, being dead daily in this flesh body, to be held alive in God Father and Son's truth for us all as own Acts 17:28 to me, thanks for the post in truth

“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:26-28‬ ‭

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit,

and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth;

the flesh profiteth nothing:

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. ..,,and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3, 5-8, 10-11‬ ‭

“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. ……..My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:16, 27-28‬ ‭

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God bless brother thanks for your posts also