The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system

Sorry darlin' - perhaps I could have done a better job writing that post...?

My remark under Magenta's post was not actually directed at/to you.

Everything in the post was actually directed at @TMS - as a reply to his post #213 - which quoted the same post of yours that I quoted.

I was just using the posts you and @Magenta made to "set up" the point I wanted to make to TMS.

"I promise I will try to do better next time..."

Your trying to prove that the thief recieved his reward when Jesus died.

Nope. Nothing like that. Absolutely not.

I don't know of any paradise other then Heaven.

That's a pretty silly assertion. Since we've never met in person, let's say we decide to do so.

What time and where do you want to meet?

You can argue that I just asked only one question.... congrats. It's still silly, because it has two different and distinct elements that while related, they are separate and the answer to one in no way answers the other.

Do you get it now?

When he spoke of “this generation” he was speaking directly to, and about “that” generation. Don’t let your notions feed the narrative. It’s fine just the way it’s written.

Please explain this paradise??
From the scripture.

And the rest of scripture proves that the dead do not go to heaven or paradise or hell until they are raised from the dead.

Is David saved? Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, ......
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Yes he is, his spirit is in heaven yes, but his body is not.

The point is that soul sleep is a myth.

It's almost impossible-- very difficult at best, to convince someone of the truth when it is completely counter to their own ideas, their own beliefs and the things they've been taught.... the ideas they've bought.

A better way (and @GaryA) can probably attest to this truth-- is to get them to examine the lies, the misinformation, the deceptions, the mistakes and ultimately-- the evidence. The truth is what will stand at the end. You don't have to convince anyone, rather each person must choose for themselves whether to accept that uncomfortable truth, or cling to those tired lies for sake of comfort.

“ Replacement “ what do you exactly mean by this ?

Does it seem like something you’re hearing here ?

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If “replacement theology “ means that God stated many times in prophecy to israel he was going to slay them but for a small remnant and choose another people to fill his kingdom I agree because the prophets foretold it and Jesus explained it many times like above there .

You have to admit that this means someone who used to be the people are now being “ replaced “ with a different people correct ?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

Those parables he tells them always lead to conclusions of what he’s teaching them in the parable . Israel are the chosen ones who rejected the prophets calling them to repentance and then rejected the latter prophets and then finally rejected their promised messiah and who he declared he would destroy them and choose another people to fill his kingdom.

i don’t see a reason to call it “ replacement theology “ it’s just what Jesus and the ot prophets said would happen after they rejected the messiah

here’s another parable teaching the same thing

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after Israel rejected the law prophets and gospel it was sent to all peoples in the world offering them all salvation and whoever accepts the invitation will be saved and will be the children of God in his eternal kingdom.

it doesn’t matter to God in the New Testament since Jesus died and rose what our flesh and bloodlines are it’s irrelevant now. Male female black who’re Asian or some strange new color ….the gospel is the only covenant before us now the only way is faith in Jesus many of jacobs descendants will not be saved but all of Abraham’s seed of promise , Israel , shall be saved

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The old covenant was broken and became a curse like he told them it would but he’s made a new covenant that can save them and everyone else if we accept Jesus and the gospel regardless of flesh and blood lines of relation

Read this again......let it sink in. So very true.

Now try to devise a plan that a believer can lose/walk away/forfeit salvation.

The key to whether preterism is plausible hinges solely on the state of the Jews and Israel itself.

When we consider what Jesus and Paul claimed about the Isaiah Prophecy that the Jews would be blinded and deaf in order to fulfill the works of Jesus and this won't end until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled that automatically pushes us to our own future.

Everything that took place in the first century Israel was to usher in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. Even the destruction of the 2nd Temple was to open the way for the Gospel of Christ. The intention was to remove the physical object of worship to the Spiritual placement within the human heart.

The other issue against preterism is the resurrection of Israel itself fulfilling several Prophecies. This would need to happen just before fulfillment of the Times of the Gentiles allowing the condition of the Blindness and Deafness of the Jews to stop so they will be opened to understanding that Jesus is their true Messiah.

And we know this literally happens when the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist comes into the 3rd Temple proclaiming to the ENTIRE WORLD that he is God.

We've yet to see the whole State of Israel turn to Jesus at any time within the past 2,000 years so we know this is without a doubt a FUTURE EVENT still to come.

Apparently you are Replacement theology, because what you've just described yourself as believing is that the church has replaced Israel.
Romans, chapters 9, 10, 11 Completely And absolutely refute that notion.

The validity of preterism lies solely in the premise that what is being spoken of in Revelation is the promised sanctions God promised would come upon Israel for failing to keep the the terms of the old covenant.

whos Jesus talking about “ replacing “ ?

“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who lost the kingdom because they killed the prophets and messiah ? And other people are then given the kingdom ? Who’s he talking about ????

Who is this about ?

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Was nstead of tossing around non biblical phrases take a look at what’s being said in the scriptures ….

Who is he saying this to hundreds of years before ? Who’s he talking about skating and replacing with others ?

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.

Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.


And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 6-7, 11-12, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Who’s he saying all this stuff about ?

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Bible’s pretty clear about this subject

and the key verse in those scriptures you point to is this one .

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭

n the Old Testament being a flesh descendant of Abraham a descendant of Jacob meant you were identified as israel . That’s not true anymore God identifies his people like this now

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If a person accepts Jesus and the gospel they are the children of Abraham it has nothing to do with them or testament flesh israel that’s over now he numbered them to the sword because of thier rebellion against him throughout the ot generations it’s all very detailed and written throughout the ot but no one really takes time to read it

its pretty clear that israel rejected the messiah and was then made desolate and zgod sent the gospel they rejected to all the world the believers of all nations are the people of God whether they are an Israelite or not

But Israel is incapable of changing until the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and their eyes and ears become receptive to Jesus Christ being their Messiah.

And we know from the Book of Revelation that awakening won't really happen until Satan in the form of Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist goes before the Jews in the Temple and proclaim to be God. And we know afterwards war happens and the surviving Jews escape to Petra.

Since none of that which I have mentioned has taken place we know these Events are for the future.

God will save the Jewish people in great numbers at a future time. But you don't learn this from the book of Revelation. And when that time comes, under what covenant will this occur?

Nice. Exactly what Isaiah prophesied in Isaiah 65.