Peace and Justice

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GWH

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Mouse_Cheeks said:
Your answers are your own.

The little red hen story isn't about pacifism. It is about sloth.
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All of our answers are our own, and your answer implies disagreement with mine.

Re the little red hen, the story is also about irresponsibility, and IMO pacifism is a form of
avoiding responsibility for the work that needs to be done to protect people from harm.

(In my post #32 by "guilty" I meant responsibility.)
 
LarryE

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GWH said:
I was raised as a Baptist, although I now prefer to identify as a Christian and truthseeker.
Do Mennonites take God's hell seriously? Do they affirm Paul's teaching in Romans 13:1-5?
What about the rather violent return of Jesus described in Revelation?
Do they realize that providing non-violent support for the military or police abets violence?
Are they grateful for God's blessings provided in the USA by means of violence?
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LarryE

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Mouse_Cheeks said:
Why would I care what pacifists think?
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Mennonites take hell seriously. you should care about what Christian pacifist believe because that’s the biblical stance on war. I found Jesus ways of non-violence how to except it first because of my military background. After years of Bible study, I believe Jesus is serious me tells us to love our enemies. however, a accept your right to disagree brother
 
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PaulThomson

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LarryE said:
please see my earlier quotes for extensive biblical references.
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I find that the command to do to others as I would want others to do to me is sufficient for me, as far as it depends upon me, to bring Kingdom peace and justice into any situation.
 
LarryE

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GWH said:
I was raised as a Baptist, although I now prefer to identify as a Christian and truthseeker.
Do Mennonites take God's hell seriously? Do they affirm Paul's teaching in Romans 13:1-5?
What about the rather violent return of Jesus described in Revelation?
Do they realize that providing non-violent support for the military or police abets violence?
Are they grateful for God's blessings provided in the USA by means of violence?
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The book of revelation is not meant to be taken literally. There are many different interpretations of this book, depending on who you talk to about it. Revelation relatey it’s message through signs, symbols, dreams, and visions. I have a book that understands Jesus role in revelation to be non-violent. I accept that for you. I respect your right to differ brother.
 
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lrs68

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LarryE said:
Let’s discuss the peace and justice required by the kingdom of God
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We are to be peacemakers at all possible cost and towards justice we are to be Merciful and full of Grace like God is towards us.

But what are you specifically thinking about when you chose to create this Thread?
 
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Mouse_Cheeks

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LarryE said:
Mennonites take hell seriously. you should care about what Christian pacifist believe because that’s the biblical stance on war. I found Jesus ways of non-violence how to except it first because of my military background. After years of Bible study, I believe Jesus is serious me tells us to love our enemies. however, a accept your right to disagree brother
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Jesus,God The Word made flesh and who dwelt among us, was not a pacifist.

He directed his Disciples to buy a sword. Whatever they had to do,buy a sword.

When in the garden of Gethsemane he told Peter,those who live by the sword shall die by the sword,he wasn't referring to the Disciples he'd earlier instructed to buy swords.

He was referring to the Romans. Who lived by the sword of conquest and then occupation. As they were doing there.

And besides all that, Jesus had to be taken into custody. How else would the Lamb of God die so to take the world's sins to the cross?
Crucifixion is violent. And God predetermined it to happen to his Son.

We are told those who will not defend their house,family, from aggressors are worse than an unbeliever.

The thing about strong pacifism is,while they won't fight aggressors they will call for help more often than not. So that others will fight for them.
 
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PaulThomson

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Mouse_Cheeks said:
Jesus,God The Word made flesh and who dwelt among us, was not a pacifist.

He directed his Disciples to buy a sword. Whatever they had to do,buy a sword.

When in the garden of Gethsemane he told Peter, those who live by the sword shall die by the sword,he wasn't referring to the Disciples he'd earlier instructed to buy swords.

He was referring to the Romans. Who lived by the sword of conquest and then occupation. As they were doing there.

And besides all that, Jesus had to be taken into custody. How else would the Lamb of God die so to take the world's sins to the cross?
Crucifixion is violent. And God predetermined it to happen to his Son.

We are told those who will not defend their house,family, from aggressors are worse than an unbeliever.

The thing about strong pacifism is,while they won't fight aggressors they will call for help more often than not. So that others will fight for them.
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Swords are very useful for those who are traveling as missionaries. They can be used to defend against wild animals, to prepare and cook and serve food, etc.

But people who have not developed self-control who also carry swords, are a danger to others. So, it seems Jesus disarmed His disciples during their three years of training. Now he was about to leave, and they were being tested to show themselves how much self-control they had, or had not, developed over that time. Peter failed the test, showing that he needed to be born again and become in tune with the indwelling Holy Spirit.

It is not a reasonable deduction to interpret Jesus giving back the disciples the authority to carry swords as Jesus validating the use of violence against other persons, even in self defence.
 
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Mouse_Cheeks

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PaulThomson said:
Swords are very useful for those who are traveling as missionaries. They can be used to defend against wild animals, to prepare and cook and serve food, etc.

But people who have not developed self-control who also carry swords, are a danger to others. So, it seems Jesus disarmed His disciples during their three years of training. Now he was about to leave, and they were being tested to show themselves how much self-control they had, or had not, developed over that time. Peter failed the test, showing that he needed to be born again and become in tune with the indwelling Holy Spirit.

It is not a reasonable deduction to interpret Jesus giving back the disciples the authority to carry swords as Jesus validating the use of violence against other persons, even in self defence.
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It's a reasonable deduction when Jesus as God of the Old Testament proved he was not a pacifist.
Nor were his Hebrew faithful in his service.
 
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