Hey Everyone,
I came across this article and found it rather interesting:
https://moneywise.com/managing-money/debt/dont-blame-that-on-the-holy
Most people know who Dave Ramsey is, as he is arguably the most well-known Christian leader in the finance community. In this article, a woman called into Mr. Ramsey's show, explaining that she and her husband had a portfolio of crypto coins worth about $60,000. They also had $14,000 worth of debt in student loans, and $37,000 worth of auto debt, and were closing on a home. She asked Mr. Ramsey if they should sell all their crypto to pay off these debts, or if they should hold onto it.
She noted that with everything happening on the political landscape, their crypto portfolio had already taken a $30,000 hit (apparently, it used to be worth $90,000.) She was thinking they should just keep holding in the hope that it would go up again, but Mr. Ramsey told her to liquidate it and pay off their debts.
She countered by saying that she and her husband are Christians, so they "don't gamble," but felt that "God had led them" to invest in 3 crypto coins specifically, and so their first inclination was to wait, because they wanted to get a sure sign again from God that they should sell.
I found this particularly intriguing because Dave Ramsey is also a Christian, and so here we have two parties both claiming to be Christians, but standing on the exact opposite sides of the fence, all in the name of the Lord.
I have heard stories like this often -- that God "led" someone to a certain investment or company -- and so even if things went wrong, people held on, hoping against hope that God was going to "lead" them into a recovery of their money and a path to profitability.
I once read about a Christian leader who became very interested in the stock market and believed "God" was telling him a bull market was going to happen that year (meaning that it was supposedly going to take off and people would make a lot of money if they invested,) and so that's what he told his followers -- but it didn't happen.
I was in a church in 2007 in which a woman who was "known to have the gift of prophecy" who told us that "God" was saying 2008 should be looked at with the number 8 going sideways, as if it were 2 extra zeros: 200+00, proclaiming that the Lord was declaring 2008 "a year of double prosperity."
2007-2008 is known to most people in the finance community as the Great Financial Crisis in which the housing market blew up -- and many people wound up in very dire financial situations. Many retirees lost their entire life savings, and even today, some have never recovered from that time.
Now I understand that maybe it COULD have been a prosperous time for some people (they say those who had the money to invest back then got rich when things came back,) and that it could have meant a growth in spiritual or other means of prosperity, of which there is no price.
But for myself, I've learned to become very cautious of those who "claim" some kind of special "insight" "that came from God," especially when it's about finances.
Please not that the purpose of this thread is NOT to argue about whether or not certain investments are good or bad. I know several people think things like crypto, the stock market, and other investments are evil. I'm sure many will quote the passage about "the LOVE of money (not money itself, but the love of it) is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -- 1 Timothy 6:10
But this is NOT what this thread is about, and if you'd like to discuss those things, I highly encourage you to start threads about those topics, as they would be interesting -- but not here.
But for THIS thread, I'm interested in things such as:
* Have you, or anyone you know, ever invested into something you felt God led you to? How did it turn out?
* Have you ever made a big purchase that you felt God wanted you to make? A car, house, trip, college or program, etc. -- what were the results? Did it pay off?
* Have you ever started a business because you believe God told you to? What happened?
* When you are making big money decisions -- to buy, sell, pay off debts, or take on more debt -- how do you personally discern what God is telling you about them?
*If things did not go well, what conclusions have you made? Was it really from God? And if so, why did things go wrong?
Like the woman in this article, I've heard many stories of people saying that God told them to do this or that regarding finances. In comparison to the number of stories I've heard, only a few seemed to find what we would call "success." Many others went broke and lost all the spare money they had.
Now I realize God still might have told them to do this and there could have been other lessons He wanted them to learn from it.
But the thing that troubles me is that most of the Christians I've heard who make financial decisions that they insist "are from God" do so believing they are going to make a fortune -- and all too often, that just doesn't seem to be the case. So what's going on? Are their expectations wrong? Are they really hearing from God? Do we all need to temper our expectations (bracing for total loss) when God "leads" us into big financial decisions?
I have NO DOUBT that God directs us with our finances.
But I'm just not so sure how to tell whether or not something is actually coming from Him -- or the hearts of people who, in their hope, convince themselves He's telling them what they want to hear.
What have YOU seen, heard, and experienced when it comes to God directing you and the rest of His people with what to do with their money?
I came across this article and found it rather interesting:
https://moneywise.com/managing-money/debt/dont-blame-that-on-the-holy
Most people know who Dave Ramsey is, as he is arguably the most well-known Christian leader in the finance community. In this article, a woman called into Mr. Ramsey's show, explaining that she and her husband had a portfolio of crypto coins worth about $60,000. They also had $14,000 worth of debt in student loans, and $37,000 worth of auto debt, and were closing on a home. She asked Mr. Ramsey if they should sell all their crypto to pay off these debts, or if they should hold onto it.
She noted that with everything happening on the political landscape, their crypto portfolio had already taken a $30,000 hit (apparently, it used to be worth $90,000.) She was thinking they should just keep holding in the hope that it would go up again, but Mr. Ramsey told her to liquidate it and pay off their debts.
She countered by saying that she and her husband are Christians, so they "don't gamble," but felt that "God had led them" to invest in 3 crypto coins specifically, and so their first inclination was to wait, because they wanted to get a sure sign again from God that they should sell.
I found this particularly intriguing because Dave Ramsey is also a Christian, and so here we have two parties both claiming to be Christians, but standing on the exact opposite sides of the fence, all in the name of the Lord.
I have heard stories like this often -- that God "led" someone to a certain investment or company -- and so even if things went wrong, people held on, hoping against hope that God was going to "lead" them into a recovery of their money and a path to profitability.
I once read about a Christian leader who became very interested in the stock market and believed "God" was telling him a bull market was going to happen that year (meaning that it was supposedly going to take off and people would make a lot of money if they invested,) and so that's what he told his followers -- but it didn't happen.
I was in a church in 2007 in which a woman who was "known to have the gift of prophecy" who told us that "God" was saying 2008 should be looked at with the number 8 going sideways, as if it were 2 extra zeros: 200+00, proclaiming that the Lord was declaring 2008 "a year of double prosperity."
2007-2008 is known to most people in the finance community as the Great Financial Crisis in which the housing market blew up -- and many people wound up in very dire financial situations. Many retirees lost their entire life savings, and even today, some have never recovered from that time.
Now I understand that maybe it COULD have been a prosperous time for some people (they say those who had the money to invest back then got rich when things came back,) and that it could have meant a growth in spiritual or other means of prosperity, of which there is no price.
But for myself, I've learned to become very cautious of those who "claim" some kind of special "insight" "that came from God," especially when it's about finances.
Please not that the purpose of this thread is NOT to argue about whether or not certain investments are good or bad. I know several people think things like crypto, the stock market, and other investments are evil. I'm sure many will quote the passage about "the LOVE of money (not money itself, but the love of it) is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -- 1 Timothy 6:10
But this is NOT what this thread is about, and if you'd like to discuss those things, I highly encourage you to start threads about those topics, as they would be interesting -- but not here.
But for THIS thread, I'm interested in things such as:
* Have you, or anyone you know, ever invested into something you felt God led you to? How did it turn out?
* Have you ever made a big purchase that you felt God wanted you to make? A car, house, trip, college or program, etc. -- what were the results? Did it pay off?
* Have you ever started a business because you believe God told you to? What happened?
* When you are making big money decisions -- to buy, sell, pay off debts, or take on more debt -- how do you personally discern what God is telling you about them?
*If things did not go well, what conclusions have you made? Was it really from God? And if so, why did things go wrong?
Like the woman in this article, I've heard many stories of people saying that God told them to do this or that regarding finances. In comparison to the number of stories I've heard, only a few seemed to find what we would call "success." Many others went broke and lost all the spare money they had.
Now I realize God still might have told them to do this and there could have been other lessons He wanted them to learn from it.
But the thing that troubles me is that most of the Christians I've heard who make financial decisions that they insist "are from God" do so believing they are going to make a fortune -- and all too often, that just doesn't seem to be the case. So what's going on? Are their expectations wrong? Are they really hearing from God? Do we all need to temper our expectations (bracing for total loss) when God "leads" us into big financial decisions?
I have NO DOUBT that God directs us with our finances.
But I'm just not so sure how to tell whether or not something is actually coming from Him -- or the hearts of people who, in their hope, convince themselves He's telling them what they want to hear.
What have YOU seen, heard, and experienced when it comes to God directing you and the rest of His people with what to do with their money?
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