The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

What do you believe happened when Jesus breathed on the disciples? Salvation?

That's not what it means.

Men, left to their own choices, will find scripture passages that suit their own agendas. People die because of this. Whole wars have started because of this. That's why there is so much heresy today: men, even "church" men, do what is right in their own eyes.

Here's the verse (using your link):

"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

Someone is teaching (that's why some are gifted teachers)
Someone handles reproof (that's why we are to obey those set over us in the Lord, like elders)
Someone corrects and trains in righteousness, so that the saints can be complete.

In short: the scriptures make no one complete.

Teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness make the saints complete. This is done through the relationships of the saints.

Which is how Jesus made disciples. This is how the apostles made disciples. This is how disciples are made: through the pattern Jesus showed us.

Even Jesus, as a man, did only what He saw His father doing and "learned obedience by the things He suffered". Then, He made disciples. When He sent out the disciples to also "make disciples" they knew exactly what to do: just like Jesus discipled them, they would disciple others.

The exception was Paul, who still spent time among the saints before being released as an apostle. But then how did Paul make disciples? Through relationships. Timothy and Titus were spiritual sons of Paul. How do you think Timothy and Titus would make disciples then?...

Just like Paul showed them. Thus keeping the pattern of Christ and the apostles.

What did Jesus say? "Recieve the Holy Spirit and their Minds were illuminated by the Spirit of God. Jesus gave them the ability to know Him as He is the resurrected Lord.

Uh oh. First time, kid?

Now, someone will have to repeat the made-up story about that particular thief being baptized before he hung on the cross. There's no record of this, of course...

I agree with you, but expect some push back.

what is this? gives me the ick

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well let's just get that out of the way

but but but he could have been immersed. in fact, he had to have been or he would not have been saved

Push back doesnt bother me. 😁 I havnt been called kid for 50 years. 😂

here here

I know you're not asking me but...

So, after He breathed on them, Jesus said this (just before being taken up)

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

So if "receiving the Holy Spirit" was the promise of the Father Jesus referenced, then why do it twice? Did it not take the first time? (I'm being funny here)

Hint: Receiving the Spirit was not the promise of the Father Jesus referenced. The baptism OF the Spirit (which is a baptism of power) was the promise Jesus referenced. Jesus does this from heaven. He never baptized anyone while being on the earth. All His baptisms were from heaven. And all His baptisms are immersion into the Spirit: like being dunked in water makes us wet, being immersed into the Spirit gives us power.

looks like we have a case of wansvic telling someone that if you are not baptized, you are cut off. all the questions asked him are answered by him somewhere even though he refuses to answer now . the reference is to the NT, so no water, no farther is what is being said by wansvic . cut off from the covenant, would be the NT covenant. smh this was in a thread asking the question 'how do you get saved' so obviously wansvic considers water baptism an integral part of salvation

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God commanded everyone living in the NT to be water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin. Just as He commanded circumcision of those living in the OT. Those who refuse to believe and obey His command of water baptism will find themselves cut off from the covenant.

of which "...out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water (John 7:38)."

Colossians 2:2 also says Both of the Father and of Christ. That’s 2 and there is nothing in the context to suggest just 1 person. The fact that there is a “Godhead” shows there is more than 1 personality. Why call it a Godhead” if it’s just one person? Colossians 3:1 says Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. If there is only Christ, this statement makes it sound like Christ is ridiculous. Is he toying with us? Trying to trick us? For what purpose? Why would He say He is sitting at the right hand of God if there is only Him? That makes it sound like a lie.

When Jesus was baptized, Jesus was in the water, the Holy Spirit was in the form of a dove sitting on His head, and God spoke out of heaven. Was that all just a trick? Did Jesus throw His voice up into heaven like a ventriloquist to try to make it sound like someone was speaking from up there? And for what purpose? What was the purpose of these shenanigans if it was only Jesus and none of the other personalities actually exist? Obviously, this would be a trick to confuse people and trick those of us who believe in 3 personalities in the Godhead. Why would a loving savior do that??

Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17 and had a conversation with Him. There again your doctrine makes Jesus appear deranged. Who has a conversation and prayer to himself?? When Jesus said He and the Father are one, the context proves He is not talking about personalities. He is talking about His. disciples being “one” just as He and the Father are “one.” Verses 6-11. If the meaning of “one” there is 1 person, then all of the disciples He is praying for must only be one person as well. They are to be “one” just as He and the Father are “one.” Then He is only going to have 1 disciple and that one person is going to represent all of us. Thats foolishness. Obviously, Jesus means “one” as “unity”. No divisions. He prayed that all of us, His disciples, would be united in our faith, all believe the same thing and work together in total agreement just as he and the Father are in total agreement and have “one” goal, “one” purpose, “one” faith.
This is a common admonition by the apostles, also. Paul condemns the Corinthian brethren in 1 Cor. 1 for their “divisions.” He said they were to all “speak the same thing.” 1 Cor, 12:5 that there be no divisions in the body Christ. Why? Because this is exactly what Jesus prayed for in John 17. The belief that The “one” that Jesus is talking about means just one in the godhead is erroneous, a man-made assumption that is not taught nor supported anywhere in the Bible. That is a misinterpretation of the meaning of “one” as Jesus used it in reference to himself and the Father.


No. You have not convinced me. The scriptures do not support your belief of only one in the Godhead. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

The question actually wasn't to me but my answer if the chosen hand picked Disciples of God manifested in the flesh did it then it's Godly enough for anyone else to do it.

When you say oneness do you mean only ONE GOD? If so yes, how many GODS are there? I follow scripture not men or their beliefs.

I'm sure not a catholic with 3 different GODS, so many people blindly follow them and they welcome them.

But this avoids my actual question. What did transpire when Jesus breathed on them?

My question is actually: were they saved before He breathed on them?

Luke 3:16
In Luke 3:16, John the Baptist states, "I baptize you with water, but One more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire." This verse emphasizes the coming of a greater power than John, who will perform baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire, signifying a transformative experience for those who receive it23.

Yea, I'm new to CC, but I can tell when someone is dancing around the questions. You not answering is noted wonder why? Because it's NOT in HIS WORD.

The disciples did baptize according to Matthew 28:19.
The disciples were not to repeat Jesus' command but to obey it when administering water baptism. Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. And the apostles did just that. They baptized in the name of Jesus because in Him dwells the fulness of the Godhead (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). Col 2:9

Again, the disciples obeyed Jesus' command:

The disciples were not expected to repeat Jesus' command but to obey it when administering water baptism. Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. And the apostles did just that. They baptized in the name of Jesus because in Him dwells the fulness of the Godhead (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). Col 2:9