The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Here you go again :



Your points:

1. So keep it simple just show in HIS word where ANYONE was baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost!!!


Good question. Show me where anyone was Baptized and where the words were recorded when they went down in the water ?

What did John say when he Baptized Jesus? You don't know, do you? What about the Enutice Philp Baptized? What did he say, do you know, as he jumped off the camel and jumped into a ditch of water? You don't, so your point is an unlearned qestion and also twisted to fit your agenda.


2. Show where it’s a public declaration of allegiance to Christ.


What do you mean Paul said in Romans 6:1-6


6 Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? 2 Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it? 3 Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death? (Joined with Christ in Baptism is a pretty Powerful Declaration and joined in HIS death. )

4 For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.

5 Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. 6 We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.

There you go, your two points answered with the word of God.
Yep, you were right I need to get my eyes checked. I just can't see how that answers those questions.

Have you received the Holy Ghost like JESUS disciples did in Acts 2:3-4??
 
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Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
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Wansvic

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An external manifestation of the Spirit only verifies the presence of the Spirit. It doesn't verify an indwelling presence. Everyone present at Pentecost knew something was going on. Not all were indwelt with the Spirit.
Peter told those at Pentecost how they could have the same experience they had witnessed. (Acts 2:26-42)

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 32-33


Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Peter explained the Gentiles had the same experience as those at Pentecost:
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.


Acts 19:2-6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 

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Peter told those at Pentecost how they could have the same experience they had witnessed. (Acts 2:26-42)

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 32-33


Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Peter explained the Gentiles had the same experience as those at Pentecost:
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.


Acts 19:2-6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
It was still an external manifestation.

Do you believe that the disciples were saved the day of Pentecost?
 
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You sound a lot like a mother member whose name is Subhumanoidal. Wow! I'm amazed by the similarities in your speech patterns.
It was still an external manifestation.

Do you believe that the disciples were saved the day of Pentecost?
Cameron, the bible is pretty straightforward, so even a small child can understand it. I will get back to you later about your question. God bless you, Brother.
 

Cameron143

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Cameron, the bible is pretty straightforward, so even a small child can understand it. I will get back to you later about your question. God bless you, Brother.
No need. I've received my limit of condescending replies for the week.
Grace and peace.
 

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It was still an external manifestation.

Do you believe that the disciples were saved the day of Pentecost?
Technically, they were saved before meeting Yeshua but truly saved when they were picked to carry out His Message.
 

Beckworth

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We should follow HIS word, and in every record case baptism was in JESUS name.

When you baptize disciples into the name of the Father, “SON” and Holy Ghost, you are baptizing them into Jesus. . Jesus is the “Son.” Since this was a command of Jesus and He said do it this way, it makes no difference if you say they are “titles” or names. Obviously, Jesus did not care or make a distinction. Unless you can show a scripture that forbids doing what Jesus said to do in Matthew 28:19 then you are making a distinction and. A Prohibition where Jesus did not make one. Matthew 28:19 must be in harmony with all of the scriptures you cite trying to prove its ONLY. in Jesus name, or we have a contradiction in the bible and I don’t accept that. If the Bible contradicts itself then we cannot believe it or trust it. So, I know Matthew 28:19 is true and if Someone baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, they are doing exactly what Jesus said to do. How can that be wrong? God is not trying to trick us. To say that is wrong is to contradict Jesus, question His authority, and that makes you an “unbeliever” in the Son of God.

I believe your doctrine is erroneous; making a distinction
where God has not made one and thereby causing scriptures to contradict other scriptures, which that within itself would prove a fallacy in your argument.

The assumption that “one”, in John 10, is talking about only one personality in the Godhead, instead of three, also Is wrong; as Jesus explains what He means in chapter 17 in His prayer to the Father when He says He wants all of his followers to be “one” just like He and the Father are “one.” JUST LIKE … in the same way…and He is NOT talking about having just 1 follower in the whole world that represents All disciples. But that is what He would be saying if your interpretation of “one” is correct. It is not. Jesus means He and the Father are “one” in agreement, unity, in purpose, teachings, and beliefs. They do not disagree on anything. We use the same meaning today and ascribe it to two people or a group of people who are “one” in unity or agreement.




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Wansvic

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First of all, you limit the Spirit of God. Jesus said the Empowerment of the Holy Spirit would happen after he ascended. And he taught that in John chapters 14 and 15.

The reason Jesus said this is that the Holy Spirit can be in you and come upon you. Two different works of the Holy Spirt and God

FYI, God can be everywhere and yet near. God in His habits, the praises of His people don't mean God is not everywhere until you praise Him. It is an action done in the faith of those who worship him in Spirit and in truth.
The Comforter was dwelling with the disciples; Jesus' Spirit. But after Jesus departed He would send the Spirit to come and dwell inside of them.

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (He's currently dwelling with you) and shall be in you. (And in the future He will be IN you)
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you." John 14:16-20
 

Lamar

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So John 3:16-19 states Believe in The Son of God for salvation
Roman chapter 10:9-11 states to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved
Luke 24:47 states 47 that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem..
Are these verses expressed in the a definitive mode or general mode?

You know the answer, be honest.

Romans 6 states Water baptism is symbolic and a public act, as we see contextually in that chapter.
"Contextually"??? Maybe in your world of reasoning.

Paul is rather point on about the purpose of baptism in Romans 6.

Here are the verses:

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

There is no "context" that makes water baptism an optional "symbolic and public" ritual as you are attempting to label it.
 

Wansvic

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That is incorrect.
John 20:22

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.


what does that mean He breathed on them ?

Luke 24 gives us insight into what happened:

40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.


This next point in Luke you must deal with:


46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city [m]of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”


Jesus is not quoted as saying to be baptized here as He did in Mathew 28:19 Nor did he even say it in context to

repentance and remission of sins

Why?

You would think something so crucial as water Baptism in the name of Jesus would have been stated for Salvation, but it is not,

BUT Repentance and remission is and preaching in HIS Name is.
Yeah, makes sense; just eliminate Peter words in between... Repent, AND be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for, remission of sin. I think not.
 

Wansvic

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The thief on the cross wasnt baptised at all. Baptism doesnt save anyone. People are saved by grace through faith.
The thief on the cross died while the OT was still in effect. As such, the NT mandate given at Pentecost was not in effect.
 

Lamar

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Uh oh. First time, kid?

Now, someone will have to repeat the made-up story about that particular thief being baptized before he hung on the cross. There's no record of this, of course...

I agree with you, but expect some push back.
Uh oh. First time, kid?

It always seems that sooner or later someone will repeat the made-up story about that particular person could not have been among the many baptized for the remission of sins during the years of the ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. There's no record of this, of course... but some still push this assumption.

Basing an assertion on a clear assumption is like building a house on sand, so expect people to push your house down.