The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

I had not heard of Namibia. However, a quick search on the Internet revealed water baptisms are performed in Namibia:

Yes, many Christians in Namibia partake in water baptism, a ritual signifying repentance, forgiveness of sins, and commitment to Christ. Namibia WMSCOG and Church of Christ in Namibia https://www.facebook.com/crcwindhoe...ms-on-sunday-13-20-and-the-/5097814443604039/} both offer water baptism, with the latter even advertising upcoming events.

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I thought I was responding to JBTN. At least my comment was under his post. I’m not sure how your post got in there also; but then I am not very “tech” savvy. My apologies.

Uh oh. First time, kid?

Now, someone will have to repeat the made-up story about that particular thief being baptized before he hung on the cross. There's no record of this, of course...

I agree with you, but expect some push back.

That is a good question: can one be saved and not know Jesus as Lord? They were all called before the resurrection, as was Judas.


It seemed scriptural and debatable to see where they were saved at that time, as it is the Holy Spirit who enables us to believe. Peter did not save himself. And why would Jesus say to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit and open your understanding' as Luke 24 states? I believe they were called but did not fully understand who Jesus was until the Holy Spirit opened their understanding. Remember, they thought Jesus was going to be king and remove the Romans from Israel. They are running to the tomb; they need to have their understanding opened.

@Cameron143
This post by CS1 sums up some of my thoughts as well.

The reference is this:
21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

What we see is Christ having the authority to give anyone the Holy Spirit. This seems like an endowment of the spirit to change ones identity: from simply a man to one sent by the king. This is consistent with the underlying portion above “As the Father has sent Me, I also send you”. Here like His Father, Christ is sending them in the same manner. And just so we are sure that he has the authority to do so He says this at the end of the encounter:

“If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Man cannot forgive the sins of man. But Christ in man can forgive the sins of anyone. Forgiveness of sins, in spite our infatuation with all miracles, is the pinnacle authority Christ gives to men.

Then he's in big trouble. He certainly didn't have time to offer sacrifices for his sin.[/QUOTEif

If Jesus is there in person to save you I doubt it matters very much about animal sacrifices. I would say “Jesus “ trumps “animal sacrifices.”

And yet...he was with Jesus in Paradise that day.

I thought I was responding to JBTN. At least my comment was under his post. I’m not
sure how your post got in there also; but then I am not very “tech” savvy. My apologies.

Yes, because Jesus was there in person to save him. While Jesus was on earth, He could save anyone, anyway He pleased because He is God. He could choose to save someone who didn’t even believe if He wanted to. But Jesus is no longer here to do that in person. He also saved the man let down through a hole in the roof. None of those circumstances have any bearing on how we are saved today.

Jesus knew when He was no longer here, He would have to have a “plan” for how people would be saved in His absence. Now, since Jesus is no longer here, we have to be saved according to the plan Christ left for us. It had to be the same plan for every person because God is no respecter of persons. It would not be right for Him to save everyone in different ways— someone would be sure to feel God’s ways were not fair. So now, we have A prescribed way to be saved. We can not look at the thief or the man let down through a roof or Jesus saving Zaccheus at dinner in his house and say, “ that’s how I want to be saved!” Or, well, the man let down through a hole in the roof did not have to repent so repentance is not necessary. Or Zaccheus did not have to do anything so I don’t have to do anything either. You would be seriously mistaken. Those people are not our examples of how to be saved; especially since Jesus is no longer here.

I'll have to because you can't answer them.

Colossians 2:2 also says Both of the Father and of Christ. That’s 2 and there is nothing in the context to suggest just 1 person. The fact that there is a “Godhead” shows there is more than 1 personality. Why call it a Godhead” if it’s just one person? Colossians 3:1 says Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. If there is only Christ, this statement makes it sound like Christ is ridiculous. Is he toying with us? Trying to trick us? For what purpose? Why would He say He is sitting at the right hand of God if there is only Him? That makes it sound like a lie.

When Jesus was baptized, Jesus was in the water, the Holy Spirit was in the form of a dove sitting on His head, and God spoke out of heaven. Was that all just a trick? Did Jesus throw His voice up into heaven like a ventriloquist to try to make it sound like someone was speaking from up there? And for what purpose? What was the purpose of these shenanigans if it was only Jesus and none of the other personalities actually exist? Obviously, this would be a trick to confuse people and trick those of us who believe in 3 personalities in the Godhead. Why would a loving savior do that??

Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17 and had a conversation with Him. There again your doctrine makes Jesus appear deranged. Who has a conversation and prayer to himself?? When Jesus said He and the Father are one, the context proves He is not talking about personalities. He is talking about His. disciples being “one” just as He and the Father are “one.” Verses 6-11. If the meaning of “one” there is 1 person, then all of the disciples He is praying for must only be one person as well. They are to be “one” just as He and the Father are “one.” Then He is only going to have 1 disciple and that one person is going to represent all of us. Thats foolishness. Obviously, Jesus means “one” as “unity”. No divisions. He prayed that all of us, His disciples, would be united in our faith, all believe the same thing and work together in total agreement just as he and the Father are in total agreement and have “one” goal, “one” purpose, “one” faith.
This is a common admonition by the apostles, also. Paul condemns the Corinthian brethren in 1 Cor. 1 for their “divisions.” He said they were to all “speak the same thing.” 1 Cor, 12:5 that there be no divisions in the body Christ. Why? Because this is exactly what Jesus prayed for in John 17. The belief that The “one” that Jesus is talking about means just one in the godhead is erroneous, a man-made assumption that is not taught nor supported anywhere in the Bible. That is a misinterpretation of the meaning of “one” as Jesus used it in reference to himself and the Father.


No. You have not convinced me. The scriptures do not support your belief of only one in the Godhead. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

They do not believe in the Trinity ie 3 persons but one God. This has been stated many times in this thread already

Jesus can't simply forgive sins on a whim. For sins to be forgiven, sins must be atoned for, or there is unrighteousness with God.

Bing baptized is a work? How do you get rid of sins? Be great is you could use scripture to prove it.

Offline for sixteen (16) hours???

Thats the thing isnt it? The thief believed and was forgiven. Why people refuse to accept the saved by grace through faith doctrine intrigues me.