The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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ocean

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What Jesus could do in the flesh was finished at the cross. Without His resurrection none could experience the rebirth.

God is the one who had Peter present the gospel message after making the Holy Ghost available to all, and it is God that brings about what He promised when people humble themselves and believe and obey his message.

God brought down the walls of Jericho when people obeyed Him. Would the same have happened without obedience to His specific instructions? Also, God healed Naaman when He obeyed God's specific instructions given him by Elisha. Would God have healed Naaman if he decided dipping a few times was enough? Or, that one location was just as good as another to dip in 7 times? No, in both cases.

Reverencing God is evidenced through belief and obedience to His instructions not those altered a few hundred years after the fact by those who decided their thoughts on the subject were better. Whether understood or not the instruction's given by God are given with a specific purpose.
God's instructions are one thing and should be obeyed; yours not so much. We aren't discussing God's instructions though, are we.
We are or rather you, are wanting to discuss your instructions
 

BillG

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I don’t think anyone’s said “ baptism is what saves “ I think this is the idea regarding his name and baptism without adding anything we can see there’s most definately something to it …
By inference they do say that baptism saves.
If one is not baptised in the name of Jesus only then their sins are not remmised which means are not forgiven.
If they are not remmised or forgiveness applied then one is not saved.
None of them have the guts to say it.

Also no tongues = evidence of not being saved, which I have been told in the past.
 

Aaron56

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By inference they do say that baptism saves.
If one is not baptised in the name of Jesus only then their sins are not remmised which means are not forgiven.
If they are not remmised or forgiveness applied then one is not saved.
None of them have the guts to say it.

Also no tongues = evidence of not being saved, which I have been told in the past.
@Pilgrimshope

Yeah, it seems some have gone this route: not dunked in water = not saved. No speaking in tongues = no Holy Spirit = not saved.
They can get in line with the Version other than King James = not saved group.
 

BillG

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By inference they do say that baptism saves.
If one is not baptised in the name of Jesus only then their sins are not remmised which means are not forgiven.
If they are not remmised or forgiveness applied then one is not saved.
None of them have the guts to say it.

Also no tongues = evidence of not being saved, which I have been told in the past.
At least Jesus would have said it.
 

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John 6 verses 28-29 ~ “What must we do to perform the works of God?” Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”
 

lrs68

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These past 4 posts are interesting so let's see if I can answer them from how I believe.

1. Being Saved = You have accepted Jesus as your God Lord and Savior

2. Being filled with the Holy Spirit means you should exemplify at least one of the nine Gifts

3. Water Baptism doesn't fulfill the requirements to accomplish 1 and 2.
 

Lamar

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Sure it was. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. That's why Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, saw it, and was glad. Jesus was speaking before the cross. What was Abraham rejoicing about?
Saved by grace through faith is a true generality but a generality nevertheless. It cannot be used to nullify the absolute need for obedience to the commands of God in reference to salvation or any other issue.

This is the rotten core of faith alone regeneration theology.

And there is no getting around this truth.
 

Cameron143

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Saved by grace through faith is a true generality but a generality nevertheless. It cannot be used to nullify the absolute need for obedience to the commands of God in reference to salvation or any other issue.

This is the rotten core of faith alone regeneration theology.

And there is no getting around this truth.
What you are proposing is that fallen men who are hostile in their minds towards God, who do no good, and who possess no righteousness, suddenly obey God from that estate. First you have Jesus acting unrighteously, and now you have sinners acting righteously.
 

BillG

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Saved by grace through faith is a true generality but a generality nevertheless. It cannot be used to nullify the absolute need for obedience to the commands of God in reference to salvation or any other issue.

This is the rotten core of faith alone regeneration theology.

And there is no getting around this truth.
Then there is the rotten core that adds to saved by grace through faith in order to be saved.
 
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I'm fine, thank you. How are you?

Correct.

Something else. Did you actually read all of my post?

John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26; 1 Peter 1:23; Titus 3:5 clear up any confusion about John 3:5.

Repentance which results in believing in Jesus Christ for salvation (signified in baptism) speaks volumes Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.

Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

Now go back and read Acts 10:43-47.

Our righteousness is found only in Jesus. (2 Corinthians 5:21) Only He fulfilled all righteousness.

Baptism signified remission of sins for new disciples.

John was a great prophet.

Was this baptism for (in order to obtain) remission of sins? OR was it for (in regard to/on the basis of) remission of sins received upon repentance? In Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water FOR repentance.. If translated "in order to obtain" the verse does not make sense. I baptize you with water FOR (in order to obtain) repentance? or I baptize you with water FOR (in regards to/on the basis of) repentance? Obviously the latter. Repentance precedes water baptism.

Jews first. Now harmonize Acts 2:38 with Acts 10:43-47. You assume that John 3:5 says the same thing as Acts 2:38 based on your bias.

So, what do YOU believe the gospel IS and also what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel?

His Word still needs to be properly interpreted.

Are you admitting to being a Oneness Pentecostal? That would explain a lot.
I'm great Blessed by the best praying for the rest.

What do you think we have to do to be reborn?
 
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My question is actually: were they saved before He breathed on them?
I consider them to be saved like Old Covenant believers were saved. At that time people could draw near to God and He could fill them with the Holy Spirit. Many times the Bible recorded that the Spirit of God would fill or fall upon came upon a believer in YHWH. The NT phenomena was different being more full, complete and intimate.
Jesus explained the disciple's current and future relationship with the Holy Spiritc when He said
17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. (John 14:17)
No human could be "saved" before Christ had come and completed His work on the cross.
Even John the Baptist whom Jesus said "no one born of flesh was greater" was the least in relationship to the Spirit.
 
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Jesus was baptized so that all righteousness should be fulfilled...Matthew 3:15.
Should be fulfilled?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Looks like "TO FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS"
 

BillG

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Should be fulfilled?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Looks like "TO FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS"
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Saved by grace through faith is a true generality but a generality nevertheless. It cannot be used to nullify the absolute need for obedience to the commands of God in reference to salvation or any other issue.

This is the rotten core of faith alone regeneration theology.

And there is no getting around this truth.
The Holy Spirit is the MEANS whereby we are empowered to obey:
13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if BY THE SPIRIT you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are LED BY THE SPIRIT of God are sons of God.…(Romans 8:13-14)
 

BillG

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3:15 to fulfill all righteousness: This phrase does not suggest that Jesus came for baptism because He had sinned; the Lord Jesus was without sin (see 2 Cor. 5:21; Heb. 4:15; 7:26). Jesus’ baptism probably served several purposes: (1) Jesus joined with the believing remnant of Israel who had been baptized by John; (2) He confirmed the ministry of John; and (3) He fulfilled the Father’s will.
3:16 the Spirit of God descending: This was God’s official recognition of Jesus as the Messiah.
3:17 This is My beloved Son, a reference to Ps. 2:7, implies that others heard the voice of the Father. In whom I am well pleased recalls the prophecy of Is. 42:1. Matthew 3:16, 17 demonstrates the simultaneous existence of all three Persons of the Godhead. This passage also points to the Son’s voluntary humiliation, the Father’s delight in Him, and the Spirit’s desire to glorify Christ.
4:1 Satan did not lead Jesus to the temptation; the Holy Spirit did. This temptation took place immediately after Jesus’ baptism (see Mark 1:12). Spiritual victories are often followed by testing (see 1 Kin. 19).
 

Cameron143

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I consider them to be saved like Old Covenant believers were saved. At that time people could draw near to God and He could fill them with the Holy Spirit. Many times the Bible recorded that the Spirit of God would fill or fall upon came upon a believer in YHWH. The NT phenomena was different being more full, complete and intimate.
Jesus explained the disciple's current and future relationship with the Holy Spiritc when He said
17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. (John 14:17)
No human could be "saved" before Christ had come and completed His work on the cross.
Even John the Baptist whom Jesus said "no one born of flesh was greater" was the least in relationship to the Spirit.
How were OT saints saved?
And your last statement isn't what scripture says.
I do agree that there was a difference between the degree to which the Spirit was given in the new and old testaments...one more a sprinkling, the other an outpouring; one given to some, the other on all flesh.
 
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Do you agree with the scholars and theologians that believe both Matthew 28:18 and Acts 2:38 are talking about Baptizing in Jesus name?

Because if that's true then why wouldn't those water Baptized in Matthew 28:19 not be baptized correctly if it means in Jesus name?
I don't see how when a person goes under the water and the words coming out of there mouth is " in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost" is the same as in JESUS name.

Why are we told to do everything in JESUS name only?

John 14:13-14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

We held responsibe for EVERY word that comes out of our mouth!

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Our words are important, and GOD's rules are HIS rules.