Understanding God’s election

by teaching Him and upon his hearing and learning and believing (by choice as some rightly say) he's entered into Christ and given God Spirit by grace through faith.

But Paul doesn't retract that man lost the ability to seek after God in that context either.

What say you re: foreknowledge?

You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that Enoch [taken up by God] is the great great great Grandfather of Noah and Noah would have been taught about God from birth.

To deny?

I am quoting the Prophets, Jesus, Disciples. The Bible is supposed to be about Jesus and I am quoting Him.

Why would he? It's still true.

ProginOskO simple means to know someone before the later time implied by the context. If I take a break from ChristianChat and rejoin, I may correspond with some members I foreknew, members I knew before breaking from CC. It means to have had an earlier knowledge of or relationship with someone.

Here, Paul is claiming that his contemporary Jews foreknew him, knew him before his conversion to Christ.

Act 26:4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
Act 26:5 Which knew (προγινώσκοντές, present active participle) me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.

In terms of events, proginOskO means to have knowledge of some event before it happens. If I have an appointment with the dentist tomorrow, I foreknow that I will be at the dentist's tomorrow.

In neither case does it imply per se an eternal knowledge from before creation. If, at some point in time, God makes a plan for something to happen in the future, He foreknows it from that point onwards.

Isa 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning of my deciding on them; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I showed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
Isa 48:4 Because I knew that you are obstinate, and your neck is an iron sinew, and your brow brass;
Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared it to you; before it came to pass I showed it you: lest you should say, My idol has done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, has commanded them.

Isa 48:6 You have heard, see all this; and will not you declare/admit it? I have showed you new things from this time, even hidden things, and you did not know them. before I showed them
Isa 48:7 Now ( עַתָּה ) they have been brought into being ( נִבְרְאוּ , niphal perfective), and not ( וְלֹא ) from the beginning ( מֵאָז ), when I first thought of them, but before the day ( וְלִפְנֵי־יוֹם ) that they happened; and not ( וְלֹא ) you heeded them ( שְׁמַעְתָּם . qal perfective) when I told you of them, so that you are not saying ( פֶּן־תֹּאמַר , qal imperfective ), "Behold ( הִנֵּה ), I knew them ( יְדַעְתִּין׃ )".
48:7 עַתָּה נִבְרְאוּ וְלֹא מֵאָז וְלִפְנֵי־יוֹם וְלֹא שְׁמַעְתָּם פֶּן־תֹּאמַר הִנֵּה יְדַעְתִּין׃

Now they have been brought into being (niphal perfective). And they were not brought into being immediately, but they were brought into being before the day they happened. And you did not heed them (qal perfective) when I announced them, so that you cannot now be saying (qal imperfective), "Behold, I knew them, that they would happen."

Things God has thought of doing to demonstrate His sovereign power, He announces in advance. But He delays the fulfilment, so that men end up denying they will happen. Then they happen, and because men have already denied they would happen, they cannot, after they happen, say "We already knew they would happen." Hence God is proven true and men have to admit God has indeed brought to pass what He said He would bring to pass.

Now, your trying to tell us that God doesn't work providentially in his elect's lives? Was Noah Enoch's great, great grandaddy by accident or coincidence?

Furthermore, you have no idea what Noah learned (if anything at all) from Enoch. You're simply assuming.

Btw, how are you coming along with your investigation of the Chicken or Egg Syndrome in the Exodus account? Have you figured out who hardened who first?

From whom did the writers of Acts and the Epistles receive their revelation?

So, God chose Adam AFTER Adam first chose God? Typical, convoluted, absurd, twisted, perverted FWT thinking! One would logically think that the logical order of things is that God chose Noah to be the recipient of saving knowledge of Himself solely by the power of His own grace.

I am saying that Paul said God made man with the ability to seek Him. So man can do as God made him able to do or what Paul said is a lie.

He gives the knowledge of Himself in the earthly, temporal, sense, but does not give spiritual DISCERNMENT to everyone, only to His elect upon becoming born again.

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Amen!
I agree 100%

Hmmm, okay, that's good to hear but seems to contradict your prior post.

You posted that God gives ways to have knowledge of Him and that matches Acts 17 that God made man with the ability to seek Him.

Man's created ability to seek God is through God giving knowledge of Himself. He did it through Creation and at Creation like Romans 1 claims.

You posted that God gives ways to have knowledge of Him and that matches Acts 17 that God made man with the ability to seek Him.

Man's created ability to seek God is through God giving knowledge of Himself. He did it through Creation and at Creation like Romans 1 claims.

But it's also written that all that the Father gives to the Son WILL [effectively] come to Him and that all that come to him

"Hearing, learning and believing" are all part of the sanctification-birthing process of salvation (2Thes 2:13; 1Pet 1:2), which results in believing the Truth! Sanctification by the Spirit in the souls of God's elect even precedes their Justification (1Cor 6:11).

But not spiritually, earthly - from the earthly, the spiritual cannot be found.

God's Word says He knows none are seeking Him.

Because though God made man with free will, sin made man captive.