Where does 'helping' our unhoused neighbors stop?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Larry73

Member
Jul 12, 2026
71
80
18
Hello all! I am involved in a ministry reaching out to the multitude of unhoused neighbors in our community. I was one of two founders of this particular effort almost 3 years ago and recently retired somewhat discouraged.
In those three years we began a once weekly program welcoming these troubled children of a gracious God into our church hall for a wonderful meal ... our commitment was to serve a "banquet" worthy of a welcome for Jesus .... and to interact with our guests on a friend to friend basis. We grew the effort to include shower availability, haircuts, clothing, hygiene items, on-site access to clinic services for basic services and follow-up visits, abuse counseling facilitators and several tables of shelf-stable foods so our guests could load backpacks with up to 10 items for 'meals' after leaving for the day. We developed several hundred trained WONDERFUL volunteers from across the multitude of faith communities in our area, Christian and non-Christian alike.
Our area has 2 homeless shelters, one specifically adult and one for families, but the need here is so great that they are always full and have a waiting list. They also have a limit of the time any individual or family may reside there. Currently the need exceeds the availability by over 200 adults, and the local school system has counted over 200 enrolled students who reside with a parent in a CAR. During this heat wave our church has opened a morning respite center to allow our neighbors to come in and cool off, have a snack and a drink, but by 3pm at the latest the doors close. Two winters ago we opened the lower level of the church admin building, formerly used as classrooms, for an 'extreme weather' overflow shelter and were able to provide refuge for nearly 50 people nightly when temperatures fell below 10 degrees. That lasted one season until the Bishop's office pulled the plug citing liability factors.
Last winter we raised cash to provide hotel rooms, but by the end of the winter we were approaching 100K just for the rooms, and that was simply unsustainable.
Here is my faith dilemma.... when I ask myself WWJD, which is the guiding principle I have tried (and with shame often failed) to live by, I realize we have more than 100 churches in this area, and EVERY one of us locks their doors nightly against these neighbors, citing city ordinances and liability factors. Last year a young man nearly died of hypothermia in 55degree weather here. He was wet from a night of cold, driving rain and he had not eaten in over 2 days, and was convulsing when he ws found. It is with profound shame that I admit he was found laying against our locked church doors, less than 4 inches from a heated, empty space. Here was the biblical 'leper' Jesus commanded us as HIS followers to care for.... and we have all locked our doors against them.
I'm aware there is always danger, cities don't want us to open our doors to HIS children our neighbors, and many if not most Bishops worry about the liability.... yet when I ask WWJD the answer seems very simple. My wife and I have opened our home to help whenever possible, and honestly, the last neighbor to stay was suicidal and committed suicide there by burning our home down and dying in the fire, so I truly DO understand the danger.... but what's the alternative? Do we stop seeing the face of Jesus in each of these troubled neighbors and turn away?
I have become
 
Hi Larry73 so good to have you joining the CC fellowship, welcome! I totally also have a heart for the homeless and for the past few yrs have been reaching out to them. I happen to be in a well stocked city church wise but yet to see more 'Christians' afoot helping the homeless. I'm sure there are some doing something but I would expect to see others ministering to them however they feel led esp in this area. So for me, I think God is pleased with us doing whatever we can and not worry about the rest. Jesus said we'll always have the homeless so there's nothing new there.
I started at first by giving food and/or money. Then I progressed to asking if they've ever recd Jesus and lately prayed with two separate men to receive Christ.
A funny thing is sometime when I go to Del Taco for my daughter they offer a free loaded ff w/carne asada meal for orders over $5. The last time I got one I took a look inside and it had scoops of sour cream, salsa and guac. I thought wow that looks good. However, I said to myself, if I see a homeless person, I'll pass it over. So right behind the store I was going there was one man who was delighted to take I missed it, lol, but knew he'd appreciate it way more than me.
So yesterday after leaving my daughter's place visiting and dropping off Del Taco food, I had the loaded ff's with me, again. I confess I opened it, had a couple bites(delicious). I just pulled out and noticed a precious homeless man pulling a wagon with his stuff in it. I thought 'there goes the ff's. Of course, he was hungry and also asked for a dollar..I gave him $7. He's one of the one's who accepted Jesus. As I left I looked up for some reason and distinctly heard this 'you help my children and I'll help yours'. That was such a perfect blessing, as my son was moving out for a yr or two for a teaching job in AZ and this couldn't have been a more relevant and peace bearing promise. I knew it was the Holy Spirit bc it was perfect in every sense and I was so humbled and thankful God is indeed present and watching.
So God knows we can't do everything but what we can do is pray and do something. God bless you and yours🙏🙌
ps don't have to apologize for being long winded I almost posted as much as you😊
 
Hello all! I am involved in a ministry reaching out to the multitude of unhoused neighbors in our community. I was one of two founders of this particular effort almost 3 years ago and recently retired somewhat discouraged.
In those three years we began a once weekly program welcoming these troubled children of a gracious God into our church hall for a wonderful meal ... our commitment was to serve a "banquet" worthy of a welcome for Jesus .... and to interact with our guests on a friend to friend basis. We grew the effort to include shower availability, haircuts, clothing, hygiene items, on-site access to clinic services for basic services and follow-up visits, abuse counseling facilitators and several tables of shelf-stable foods so our guests could load backpacks with up to 10 items for 'meals' after leaving for the day. We developed several hundred trained WONDERFUL volunteers from across the multitude of faith communities in our area, Christian and non-Christian alike.
Our area has 2 homeless shelters, one specifically adult and one for families, but the need here is so great that they are always full and have a waiting list. They also have a limit of the time any individual or family may reside there. Currently the need exceeds the availability by over 200 adults, and the local school system has counted over 200 enrolled students who reside with a parent in a CAR. During this heat wave our church has opened a morning respite center to allow our neighbors to come in and cool off, have a snack and a drink, but by 3pm at the latest the doors close. Two winters ago we opened the lower level of the church admin building, formerly used as classrooms, for an 'extreme weather' overflow shelter and were able to provide refuge for nearly 50 people nightly when temperatures fell below 10 degrees. That lasted one season until the Bishop's office pulled the plug citing liability factors.
Last winter we raised cash to provide hotel rooms, but by the end of the winter we were approaching 100K just for the rooms, and that was simply unsustainable.
Here is my faith dilemma.... when I ask myself WWJD, which is the guiding principle I have tried (and with shame often failed) to live by, I realize we have more than 100 churches in this area, and EVERY one of us locks their doors nightly against these neighbors, citing city ordinances and liability factors. Last year a young man nearly died of hypothermia in 55degree weather here. He was wet from a night of cold, driving rain and he had not eaten in over 2 days, and was convulsing when he ws found. It is with profound shame that I admit he was found laying against our locked church doors, less than 4 inches from a heated, empty space. Here was the biblical 'leper' Jesus commanded us as HIS followers to care for.... and we have all locked our doors against them.
I'm aware there is always danger, cities don't want us to open our doors to HIS children our neighbors, and many if not most Bishops worry about the liability.... yet when I ask WWJD the answer seems very simple. My wife and I have opened our home to help whenever possible, and honestly, the last neighbor to stay was suicidal and committed suicide there by burning our home down and dying in the fire, so I truly DO understand the danger.... but what's the alternative? Do we stop seeing the face of Jesus in each of these troubled neighbors and turn away?
I have become
Hi Larry73 so good to have you joining the CC fellowship, welcome! I totally also have a heart for the homeless and for the past few yrs have been reaching out to them. I happen to be in a well stocked city church wise but yet to see more 'Christians' afoot helping the homeless. I'm sure there are some doing something but I would expect to see others ministering to them however they feel led esp in this area. So for me, I think God is pleased with us doing whatever we can and not worry about the rest. Jesus said we'll always have the homeless so there's nothing new there.
I started at first by giving food and/or money. Then I progressed to asking if they've ever recd Jesus and lately prayed with two separate men to receive Christ.
A funny thing is sometime when I go to Del Taco for my daughter they offer a free loaded ff w/carne asada meal for orders over $5. The last time I got one I took a look inside and it had scoops of sour cream, salsa and guac. I thought wow that looks good. However, I said to myself, if I see a homeless person, I'll pass it over. So right behind the store I was going there was one man who was delighted to take I missed it, lol, but knew he'd appreciate it way more than me.
So yesterday after leaving my daughter's place visiting and dropping off Del Taco food, I had the loaded ff's with me, again. I confess I opened it, had a couple bites(delicious). I just pulled out and noticed a precious homeless man pulling a wagon with his stuff in it. I thought 'there goes the ff's. Of course, he was hungry and also asked for a dollar..I gave him $7. He's one of the one's who accepted Jesus. As I left I looked up for some reason and distinctly heard this 'you help my children and I'll help yours'. That was such a perfect blessing, as my son was moving out for a yr or two for a teaching job in AZ and this couldn't have been a more relevant and peace bearing promise. I knew it was the Holy Spirit bc it was perfect in every sense and I was so humbled and thankful God is indeed present and watching.
So God knows we can't do everything but what we can do is pray and do something. God bless you and yours🙏🙌
ps don't have to apologize for being long winded I almost posted as much as you😊

I apologize in that I have absolutely nothing useful to add to these beautiful, detailed posts.

If you are willing, I'd love to hear MORE from you both, as well as others who have experience in helping the homeless.

I live in an area where the need is also rampant and there isn't enough education about how to help our neighbors -- but how to do so in a manner that protects our families and ourselves.

Please, if you can or wish to, I would love to hear more about your experiences and advice.
 
Hi Larry73 so good to have you joining the CC fellowship, welcome! I totally also have a heart for the homeless and for the past few yrs have been reaching out to them. I happen to be in a well stocked city church wise but yet to see more 'Christians' afoot helping the homeless. I'm sure there are some doing something but I would expect to see others ministering to them however they feel led esp in this area. So for me, I think God is pleased with us doing whatever we can and not worry about the rest. Jesus said we'll always have the homeless so there's nothing new there.
I started at first by giving food and/or money. Then I progressed to asking if they've ever recd Jesus and lately prayed with two separate men to receive Christ.
A funny thing is sometime when I go to Del Taco for my daughter they offer a free loaded ff w/carne asada meal for orders over $5. The last time I got one I took a look inside and it had scoops of sour cream, salsa and guac. I thought wow that looks good. However, I said to myself, if I see a homeless person, I'll pass it over. So right behind the store I was going there was one man who was delighted to take I missed it, lol, but knew he'd appreciate it way more than me.
So yesterday after leaving my daughter's place visiting and dropping off Del Taco food, I had the loaded ff's with me, again. I confess I opened it, had a couple bites(delicious). I just pulled out and noticed a precious homeless man pulling a wagon with his stuff in it. I thought 'there goes the ff's. Of course, he was hungry and also asked for a dollar..I gave him $7. He's one of the one's who accepted Jesus. As I left I looked up for some reason and distinctly heard this 'you help my children and I'll help yours'. That was such a perfect blessing, as my son was moving out for a yr or two for a teaching job in AZ and this couldn't have been a more relevant and peace bearing promise. I knew it was the Holy Spirit bc it was perfect in every sense and I was so humbled and thankful God is indeed present and watching.
So God knows we can't do everything but what we can do is pray and do something. God bless you and yours🙏🙌
ps don't have to apologize for being long winded I almost posted as much as you😊
Your reply brought tears to my eyes! You are truly special... one of HIS true angels following HIS ministry. We don't have a Del Taco here in Wisconsin, but it sounds delicious! ( Of course, at my age it would probably kill me anyway!) It is truly inspiring that you thought to share the loaded FFs with the very lucky neighbor, and then to repeat it again was proof of God's smile over you.
I have to admit I have a firm rule that I never provide cash or gift cards, nor will I transport a lady if I am without my wife in the car. I will buy breakfast/lunch/dinner/hydrating drinks/snacks, go along to pharmacies to pay for prescriptions, take a homeless neighbor grocery shopping or to the laundromat, do whatever the Lord calls me to do to serve. I seldom bring up the Lord except to pray with them each time we are about to leave, hoping THEY will express interest in hearing more.... and many do. They tend to then willingly share their life histories, faith background and, more difficultly, the traumas that led to this life of homelessness. Sometimes these memories are so horrible to even hear that I have to stop and ask them if it's OK to say a prayer for peace right then, and then they go on. There have been over 60 times in the last year and a half that this has happened, and sometimes I return home and simply have to beg Jesus to take this latest one from my shoulders because it's just too horrifyingly vile, even for me. I thank HIM every day for HIS gift of 'let go and let God' because otherwise I would have collapsed under the emotional baggage of the neighbors traumas.
I hope your son enjoys Arizona, and I hope he knows and appreciates what a faithfilled Mom he has there at home. Be well, and THANK YOU for the wonderful welcome and the conversation !
Larry
 
I apologize in that I have absolutely nothing useful to add to these beautiful, detailed posts.

If you are willing, I'd love to hear MORE from you both, as well as others who have experience in helping the homeless.

I live in an area where the need is also rampant and there isn't enough education about how to help our neighbors -- but how to do so in a manner that protects our families and ourselves.

Please, if you can or wish to, I would love to hear more about your experiences and advice.
I understand.... it may have been easier for me, because I was frequently homeless growing up. My parents were severe alcoholics who seldom worked, and extended family quickly got tired of our family of 7 mooching from them.
Maybe start in the way that is safe and simple as well: the next time you're driving and see a homeless neighbor at the edge of an off ramp or driveway, simply smile and wave in a friendly fashion, as if waving and smiling to Jesus. This let's them know they are NOT invisable, not the biblical lepers of Jesus' time, and that if only that once today someone saw them with kindness rather than disgust. You have no idea how wonderful that feeling is! Plus, you can do it, your spouse can do it, kids can do it, and all in the safety of the locked car.
From there you might consider offering a bottle of cool water to one of these neighbors during this summer heat, or a cup of hot coffee during the cold. A spare blanket during the winter, an extra coat/hat/gloves in cold weather.... you get the idea.
Jesus calls each of us to join in HIS ministry, but we can begin safely and slowly, like a child learning to walk, then build as HE has inspired us individually to do.
Does this help?
Larry
 
I understand.... it may have been easier for me, because I was frequently homeless growing up. My parents were severe alcoholics who seldom worked, and extended family quickly got tired of our family of 7 mooching from them.
Maybe start in the way that is safe and simple as well: the next time you're driving and see a homeless neighbor at the edge of an off ramp or driveway, simply smile and wave in a friendly fashion, as if waving and smiling to Jesus. This let's them know they are NOT invisable, not the biblical lepers of Jesus' time, and that if only that once today someone saw them with kindness rather than disgust. You have no idea how wonderful that feeling is! Plus, you can do it, your spouse can do it, kids can do it, and all in the safety of the locked car.
From there you might consider offering a bottle of cool water to one of these neighbors during this summer heat, or a cup of hot coffee during the cold. A spare blanket during the winter, an extra coat/hat/gloves in cold weather.... you get the idea.
Jesus calls each of us to join in HIS ministry, but we can begin safely and slowly, like a child learning to walk, then build as HE has inspired us individually to do.
Does this help?
Larry


I very much appreciate you sharing and I hope you will continue to do so.

I used to be part of a ministry that wrote to and visited prison inmates. I did that for about 8 years and enjoyed it very much, though it was gut-wrenching, for sure. I had tried serving in "regular" ministries like the children's church, but it just wasn't for me. I begged God to send me back to the prisons!

But there was a story in the newspaper of a young woman in the same state who was doing the same thing -- and one of the inmates she wrote escaped, found, and killed her. The most tragic thing was that she was married, with the full support of her husband, and pregnant with their first child.

I knew God was telling me to stop for my own safety. I stubbornly held on for a while -- I started writing female inmates instead of male, hoping it was "safer"; I wrote to soldiers in other countries; I joined a ministry that went to talk to veterans at a group home. But God was telling me to stop.

I hope I can put this in a factual way and won't come across as trying to sound conceited, but my whole life, I've had problems with people trying to cling on to me n almost every type of ministry situation. It doesn't matter if it's male or female. The males will try to secure me as a romantic candidate; the females will try to make me into their substitute daughter, sister, or best friend they've had a falling out with, start calling me at all hours, and want me to be with them all the time.

So unfortunately, I've learned to be very, very cautious. I will only participate in ministries where I can just be anonymous, or in a group where I feel I can go to people for help. I have learned that I need leadership that I can rely on to intervene if necessary.

You most definitely sound like you have a wonderful gift and enormous heart for this kind of ministry. I am in awe of your dedication!! I love that you actually want to know the people as people -- and not just converts. There are a lot of ministries I don't feel comfortable joining because they simply preach to people and don't learn anything about them. Others are very dedicated to their cause, but they don't seem nearly as concerned with the safety of their volunteers.

I have friends who have worked with the homeless for somewhere 40 years, starting when they were teenagers. I used to go with them on some of their outreaches (it felt much safer to me in their group,) but I'm just a novice in this kind of work. Unfortunately, I no longer live near them or I would continue to work for them.

May I ask, where is your ministry located?

And do you have a website where people can give donations?

God bless you for this VERY important work you are doing, and please, keep sharing you stories and advice. 🙏🏼
 
This is a really relevant and triggering topic for me. When my wife kicked me out I became 'homeless' for a night and spent the night on the street with nothing. It was good for me to have a taste of homelessness and find God again and gradually rebuild my life. Since then I have been really blessed... it is very rewarding if you can help someone else... but we each need to be able to establish a limit somewhere otherwise can become taken advantage of and abused which is not good for you or the homeless person either. Need to be knowing the Lord and grounded in prayer. This is just one aspect of the major problems that society has fallen into having departed so far from God in the last 50 years or so.
 
I very much appreciate you sharing and I hope you will continue to do so.

I used to be part of a ministry that wrote to and visited prison inmates. I did that for about 8 years and enjoyed it very much, though it was gut-wrenching, for sure. I had tried serving in "regular" ministries like the children's church, but it just wasn't for me. I begged God to send me back to the prisons!

But there was a story in the newspaper of a young woman in the same state who was doing the same thing -- and one of the inmates she wrote escaped, found, and killed her. The most tragic thing was that she was married, with the full support of her husband, and pregnant with their first child.

I knew God was telling me to stop for my own safety. I stubbornly held on for a while -- I started writing female inmates instead of male, hoping it was "safer"; I wrote to soldiers in other countries; I joined a ministry that went to talk to veterans at a group home. But God was telling me to stop.

I hope I can put this in a factual way and won't come across as trying to sound conceited, but my whole life, I've had problems with people trying to cling on to me n almost every type of ministry situation. It doesn't matter if it's male or female. The males will try to secure me as a romantic candidate; the females will try to make me into their substitute daughter, sister, or best friend they've had a falling out with, start calling me at all hours, and want me to be with them all the time.

So unfortunately, I've learned to be very, very cautious. I will only participate in ministries where I can just be anonymous, or in a group where I feel I can go to people for help. I have learned that I need leadership that I can rely on to intervene if necessary.

You most definitely sound like you have a wonderful gift and enormous heart for this kind of ministry. I am in awe of your dedication!! I love that you actually want to know the people as people -- and not just converts. There are a lot of ministries I don't feel comfortable joining because they simply preach to people and don't learn anything about them. Others are very dedicated to their cause, but they don't seem nearly as concerned with the safety of their volunteers.

I have friends who have worked with the homeless for somewhere 40 years, starting when they were teenagers. I used to go with them on some of their outreaches (it felt much safer to me in their group,) but I'm just a novice in this kind of work. Unfortunately, I no longer live near them or I would continue to work for them.

May I ask, where is your ministry located?

And do you have a website where people can give donations?

God bless you for this VERY important work you are doing, and please, keep sharing you stories and advice. 🙏🏼
Thank you seoulsearch ! I completely understand your reservations, and admire the courage it takes to face fears. Sometimes I think my 'enormous heart' is in reality an enormous pigheaded blindness to the realities and the dangers, especially after we lost our home to the homeless neighbor who died in a suicide while burning it down. But through prayer we were able to understand that, as perverse as it sounds, he felt safe enough there to want to spend his last living moment there. Through our faith in Jesus we came to realize that we lost THINGS, but everything truly important was deep within us.
The ministry effort is located in Wisconsin, and no donations are anticipated. We DO ask for prayers for understanding and conversion to Christianity for every homeless neighbor. Other than these, our most gracious God provides everything we need. You are so VERY kind to ask!
Larry
 
This is a really relevant and triggering topic for me. When my wife kicked me out I became 'homeless' for a night and spent the night on the street with nothing. It was good for me to have a taste of homelessness and find God again and gradually rebuild my life. Since then I have been really blessed... it is very rewarding if you can help someone else... but we each need to be able to establish a limit somewhere otherwise can become taken advantage of and abused which is not good for you or the homeless person either. Need to be knowing the Lord and grounded in prayer. This is just one aspect of the major problems that society has fallen into having departed so far from God in the last 50 years or so.
I understand BrokenPaul. We all fail sometimes, but the wonderful thing about our faith is we are accepted right back and forgiven.
Personally, my limits thus far are WWJD, as simplistic as that sounds. HE wouldn't enable a neighbor, but I believe HE WOULD keep HIS hands outstretched in support. There have been many instances where I have been taken advantage of, and I know it and allowed it willingly if there was even the slightest chance I was wrong. Prayerfully I hope that Jesus guides the hearts and intentions of these troubled neighbors, so to this end I do what I can. But it's not altruism.... my faith has soared through experiencing the reawakening of many of these neighbors. They understand we are friends, fellow travelers on this journey. They grow in the acceptance they find in this Ministry and in the human connection where we ask absolutely nothing in return. We are the servants of a loving MASTER and the neighbors are nothing less than our honored guests. That is what I believe Jesus would do and has asked us to live.
Larry
 
Thank you seoulsearch ! I completely understand your reservations, and admire the courage it takes to face fears. Sometimes I think my 'enormous heart' is in reality an enormous pigheaded blindness to the realities and the dangers, especially after we lost our home to the homeless neighbor who died in a suicide while burning it down. But through prayer we were able to understand that, as perverse as it sounds, he felt safe enough there to want to spend his last living moment there. Through our faith in Jesus we came to realize that we lost THINGS, but everything truly important was deep within us.
The ministry effort is located in Wisconsin, and no donations are anticipated. We DO ask for prayers for understanding and conversion to Christianity for every homeless neighbor. Other than these, our most gracious God provides everything we need. You are so VERY kind to ask!
Larry

I am so, so sorry that you went through the horrible experience of having this homeless neighbor burn down your house, and chose to die along with it!

Oh my goodness. I think I would be beyond ever trying to help someone again. I sure hope you and your family weren't hurt!

I find that I meet some people who are VERY passionate about helping certain groups, which is wonderful, but I do think some get blinded in their zeal.

I knew someone (and his roommate) who invited a homeless man to stay with them for a weekend, only to find him shooting up in their bathroom. They were able to get him to leave, but part of what worked is that they both had their own personal weapons.

I don't think a lot of ministries inform people just how dangerous things like this can be, or prepare them to protect themselves.

And what if the police had to be called? How could the apartment owners convince the police that the drugs STRICTLY belonged to the homeless guy and that they had no part in obtaining, owning, or using them? Imagine going to prison for someone else's drugs. There are also so many squatter laws now, and seemingly more protections for the homeless in some areas than the home and property owners.

I pray that God would keep you and yours safe in your commitment to help these populations.

If your official group ever has a site and fundraiser, feel free to leave me a message on profile wall with a link.
 
Hello all! I am involved in a ministry reaching out to the multitude of unhoused neighbors in our community. I was one of two founders of this particular effort almost 3 years ago and recently retired somewhat discouraged.
In those three years we began a once weekly program welcoming these troubled children of a gracious God into our church hall for a wonderful meal ... our commitment was to serve a "banquet" worthy of a welcome for Jesus .... and to interact with our guests on a friend to friend basis. We grew the effort to include shower availability, haircuts, clothing, hygiene items, on-site access to clinic services for basic services and follow-up visits, abuse counseling facilitators and several tables of shelf-stable foods so our guests could load backpacks with up to 10 items for 'meals' after leaving for the day. We developed several hundred trained WONDERFUL volunteers from across the multitude of faith communities in our area, Christian and non-Christian alike.
Our area has 2 homeless shelters, one specifically adult and one for families, but the need here is so great that they are always full and have a waiting list. They also have a limit of the time any individual or family may reside there. Currently the need exceeds the availability by over 200 adults, and the local school system has counted over 200 enrolled students who reside with a parent in a CAR. During this heat wave our church has opened a morning respite center to allow our neighbors to come in and cool off, have a snack and a drink, but by 3pm at the latest the doors close. Two winters ago we opened the lower level of the church admin building, formerly used as classrooms, for an 'extreme weather' overflow shelter and were able to provide refuge for nearly 50 people nightly when temperatures fell below 10 degrees. That lasted one season until the Bishop's office pulled the plug citing liability factors.
Last winter we raised cash to provide hotel rooms, but by the end of the winter we were approaching 100K just for the rooms, and that was simply unsustainable.
Here is my faith dilemma.... when I ask myself WWJD, which is the guiding principle I have tried (and with shame often failed) to live by, I realize we have more than 100 churches in this area, and EVERY one of us locks their doors nightly against these neighbors, citing city ordinances and liability factors. Last year a young man nearly died of hypothermia in 55degree weather here. He was wet from a night of cold, driving rain and he had not eaten in over 2 days, and was convulsing when he ws found. It is with profound shame that I admit he was found laying against our locked church doors, less than 4 inches from a heated, empty space. Here was the biblical 'leper' Jesus commanded us as HIS followers to care for.... and we have all locked our doors against them.
I'm aware there is always danger, cities don't want us to open our doors to HIS children our neighbors, and many if not most Bishops worry about the liability.... yet when I ask WWJD the answer seems very simple. My wife and I have opened our home to help whenever possible, and honestly, the last neighbor to stay was suicidal and committed suicide there by burning our home down and dying in the fire, so I truly DO understand the danger.... but what's the alternative? Do we stop seeing the face of Jesus in each of these troubled neighbors and turn away?
I have become
You are providing a much-needed ministry and that is a good thing. I also understand the problem of knowing when to give and when not to. I would encourage you to follow the local ordinances with regards to when you open your doors and when you lock them. Not giving cash or gift cards is a good idea, they are easier to abuse than food or shelter.

But only you and God can judge when your generosity is being abused, I would hope you have some guidelines to ensure that your aid is being used for good as opposed to assisting a continuation of the recipient's troubles, often a hard call.
 
You are providing a much-needed ministry and that is a good thing. I also understand the problem of knowing when to give and when not to. I would encourage you to follow the local ordinances with regards to when you open your doors and when you lock them. Not giving cash or gift cards is a good idea, they are easier to abuse than food or shelter.

But only you and God can judge when your generosity is being abused, I would hope you have some guidelines to ensure that your aid is being used for good as opposed to assisting a continuation of the recipient's troubles, often a hard call.
rewriter, I would only change one aspect of your post. For me, such calls are usually far beyond hard, they are impossible. In most cases we are speaking of basic human survival: food, shelter, clothing, access to medical care, personal hygiene.
Insofar as to local ordinances, I cannot support an ordinance or law of man when it clearly comes into direct conflict with the ministry Jesus entrusted to all Christians. No man may overrule that command. Sadly, far too many of our churches now follow the dictates of man and the insurance companies. If a child of God dies because of it, we turn a blind eye. In my opinion, that is our shame and our failure to follow Jesus.
My apologies rewriter ... you struck a nerve. I mean no disrespect to anyone and only share my own opinion, having lived on BOTH sides of this troubling issue.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rewriter
I am so, so sorry that you went through the horrible experience of having this homeless neighbor burn down your house, and chose to die along with it!

Oh my goodness. I think I would be beyond ever trying to help someone again. I sure hope you and your family weren't hurt!

I find that I meet some people who are VERY passionate about helping certain groups, which is wonderful, but I do think some get blinded in their zeal.

I knew someone (and his roommate) who invited a homeless man to stay with them for a weekend, only to find him shooting up in their bathroom. They were able to get him to leave, but part of what worked is that they both had their own personal weapons.

I don't think a lot of ministries inform people just how dangerous things like this can be, or prepare them to protect themselves.

And what if the police had to be called? How could the apartment owners convince the police that the drugs STRICTLY belonged to the homeless guy and that they had no part in obtaining, owning, or using them? Imagine going to prison for someone else's drugs. There are also so many squatter laws now, and seemingly more protections for the homeless in some areas than the home and property owners.

I pray that God would keep you and yours safe in your commitment to help these populations.

If your official group ever has a site and fundraiser, feel free to leave me a message on profile wall with a link.
Thank you seoulsearch, and I understand the reservations and the potential dilemas. As for fundraising, I would never post fundraising in a Christian forum such as these, as I believe such efforts are best done in the communities where they are being used. This helps to prevent abuse of peoples generosity! But you are wonderful to offer!
 
  • Pray
Reactions: seoulsearch
rewriter, I would only change one aspect of your post. For me, such calls are usually far beyond hard, they are impossible. In most cases we are speaking of basic human survival: food, shelter, clothing, access to medical care, personal hygiene.
Insofar as to local ordinances, I cannot support an ordinance or law of man when it clearly comes into direct conflict with the ministry Jesus entrusted to all Christians. No man may overrule that command. Sadly, far too many of our churches now follow the dictates of man and the insurance companies. If a child of God dies because of it, we turn a blind eye. In my opinion, that is our shame and our failure to follow Jesus.
My apologies rewriter ... you struck a nerve. I mean no disrespect to anyone and only share my own opinion, having lived on BOTH sides of this troubling issue.
I can understand your point about human ordinances. The problem becomes when by not following them, the earthly powers decide that a support mission must totally cease. Such does not happen often, but when problems arise, as they usually will eventually, and come to public attention, the public outcry can become too much for the local authorities to ignore, often to the detriment of those most in need, sometimes also to those attempting to provide the assistance.
 
  • Pray
Reactions: seoulsearch
I can understand your point about human ordinances. The problem becomes when by not following them, the earthly powers decide that a support mission must totally cease. Such does not happen often, but when problems arise, as they usually will eventually, and come to public attention, the public outcry can become too much for the local authorities to ignore, often to the detriment of those most in need, sometimes also to those attempting to provide the assistance.
You are correct rewriter.... yet in my experience these ordinances are often used to DENY lifesaving services to our homeless neighbors. The detriment in these cases already exists because most often the ordinances are crafted in such a way as to virtually guarantee cessation of services. Localities often point to existing public/private services, such as is being done here. We have 2 shelters in this area...one for adults only and one for families.... and both have been full for well over 2 years, leaving more than 180 adults unhoused and at risk, and leaving over 200 area children living in cars with their families (according to the local school system) When the need is so overwhelming, churches who claim to be Christian must choose between the need to protect life or follow local ordinances. In such cases I'm fairly certain what Jesus would do, as HE'S already instructed us in the clearest of terms. If we as Christians are subject to persecution or prosecution for following HIS commands, we are blessed by Jesus.
 
Hi Larry,

What a wonderful, life-saving ministry. I'm sorry you became discouraged, I'll pray you can regain what the discouragement has taken. From my own slight experience organizing a lunch club in the church (food, short gospel talk, fellowship, practical help) which attracts a good deal of homeless people it can be a balancing act:

Some church members are uncomfortable being around homeless people, who may have complex needs, mental health, ex-con etc, they won't interact and might not even want them in the building. There is a measure of legal liability that many don't want to shoulder, food hygiene etc, safety, first aid.

It's wonderful to see one come to faith in Christ or get their life back on track in some measure due to what we've done to help. I think the key point is always to go back to the Great Commission. The people need to hear the gospel, we need to tell them. If we don't tell them, then who will. If we only invite toffs into the church then we're practising the favouritism forbidden in the book of James, but Jesus said:

Luke 14: 12-14 Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

God Bless You
 
Hi Larry,

What a wonderful, life-saving ministry. I'm sorry you became discouraged, I'll pray you can regain what the discouragement has taken. From my own slight experience organizing a lunch club in the church (food, short gospel talk, fellowship, practical help) which attracts a good deal of homeless people it can be a balancing act:

Some church members are uncomfortable being around homeless people, who may have complex needs, mental health, ex-con etc, they won't interact and might not even want them in the building. There is a measure of legal liability that many don't want to shoulder, food hygiene etc, safety, first aid.

It's wonderful to see one come to faith in Christ or get their life back on track in some measure due to what we've done to help. I think the key point is always to go back to the Great Commission. The people need to hear the gospel, we need to tell them. If we don't tell them, then who will. If we only invite toffs into the church then we're practising the favouritism forbidden in the book of James, but Jesus said:

Luke 14: 12-14 Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

God Bless You
Amen Fillan! Having experienced both sides of the homeless issue, it is a ministry with deep meaning for me. I have been told it is not as simple as WWJD... but my reply is always the same... "Why not??"
In prayer,
Larry
 
  • Heart
Reactions: Fillan
I apologize in that I have absolutely nothing useful to add to these beautiful, detailed posts.

If you are willing, I'd love to hear MORE from you both, as well as others who have experience in helping the homeless.

I live in an area where the need is also rampant and there isn't enough education about how to help our neighbors -- but how to do so in a manner that protects our families and ourselves.

Please, if you can or wish to, I would love to hear more about your experiences and advice.
Ok a couple things while the puppies are down and btw yep, another litter. This time 7 but the Lord has now delivered me from procrastination😂🙌🐕
Re the homeless, I started out by offering a few bucks and/or food. Then I started asking if they've accepted Jesus. and then I progressed to praying with them. Most, actually say yes they've accepted Him and the ones who aren't interested I just say 'remember this, you can't get into Heaven w/o Jesus' and I will still give them something. So I planted a seed.
There's a young man who stands at a busy intersection w/his dog up the street where I turn to get to the store there. He hangs w/a few other homeless and their dogs, a Starbucks is right there. I decided I'd make sure the dog got something for being so loyal so I get a box of dog biscuits and as I pass him to turn, I usually have to toss it out at him😂
I was driving and passed a man on a bike pulling a cart. The Holy Spirit kept telling me to go back as I thought 'he has a bike and cart was dressed ok and so I was gonna keep going. Then I said 'alright I'm turning around'. We talked and I gave him a few bucks (he was staring into a restaurant) Then I asked him if he'd ever asked Jesus into his heart and he said he didn't think so. So that turn around saved his soul.
Advice....no one should approach the homeless if they're afraid, I'm sure they are sensitive about their position and may be resentful or on the offense. I give out a few bucks as part of my tithe as my 2 churches are doing very well. Whether they get food or something else is up to them, but they will remember a believer cared. Lots of other interesting exchanges, lol, like a 22yo asking me if I wanted to hang out🤣🤣🤣.
 
I don't know how things work in other countries and , even from town to town or city to city , things can b different .
In the UK , unless u r in a very big city such as London or Birmingham , most councils ( the local authority ) do provide places for people to b able to sleep safely . Certainly , no one with children under age 18 , would ever have to sleep in a car , not for more than one night .
Where i live in North East England , we have a big drug problem and I live in the middle of the town centre . We do have homeless people sleeping in tents but , they don't have to , there r shelters and temporary accommodation available but , many people ( especially the ladies ) don't like the shelters or just don't feel safe in them , which is understandable . I know a few of these people to talk to . All of the ones I know r addicts and some of them have complex mental health problems . They need an enormous amount of support , physical , emotional , mental and spiritual . Then there r some who end up homeless but only briefly , that was me as a teenager . These r people who r not addicts and don't have mental health problems , maybe their parents or spouse has kicked them out . Where I live , housing priorities start with children , so this means that single childless addicts with mental health problems r at the bottom of the list 😞 .
Until governments r prepared to really get to grips with the underlying causes of homelessness and give the levels of support that many homeless people need , this problem is just going to keep getting worse . It's shameful that rich countries allow this to happen to their citizens . God is watching . However , any single people out there, that live alone , male or female , must seriously consider their own safety and , rather than take someone in , maybe get your church to sponsor a homeless person or , get together and pay for an inexpensive hotel room or even small house or apartment ? There r lots of ways people can help if they band together , without putting individual members at risk . I don't usuay give cash , unless someone comes up to my face and specifically asks me personally for it , like yesterday . Usually I buy food . We do what we can depending on our resources . That's all we can do 👍 .