The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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New Covenant, New Life, New law. It's the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Now if Jesus can sin, then so can we. I don't know why Christians assume that living under the new covenant is a licence to sin. It's the opposite. Lord Jesus told us that we could obey the law outwardly but still be sinning. That's the point of the sermon on the mount.
When Jesus said go and sin no more. Was He asking an impossibility? No

By Christ's power we can sin no more.

The new covenant is not a licence to sin. Like you said.

It is power to obey.
 
When Jesus said go and sin no more. Was He asking an impossibility? No

By Christ's power we can sin no more.

The new covenant is not a licence to sin. Like you said.

It is power to obey.
So you now never sin, not ever? I'm impressed. However, prior to the New Covenant, even the chief apostle sinned. And he sinned again after Lord Jesus rose from the dead. I suppose you are better than Peter.
 
So you now never sin, not ever? I'm impressed. However, prior to the New Covenant, even the chief apostle sinned. And he sinned again after Lord Jesus rose from the dead. I suppose you are better than Peter.
I didn't say I was better then anyone.
And if I sin I have an advocate with the Father. It isn't about me.

I asked the question.... did Jesus ask an impossible thing?

Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh."

Romans 8:1-2 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

Galatians 5:24 "And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

2 Peter 1:4 "Whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin."

We are invited to reach the high ideal set before us in the Gospel. This is not achieved through our own strength but through a total self-surrender that allows the Holy Spirit to work within us, molding us into the image of God. By walking circumspectly and seeking purity of heart, we can stand before the law without shame.

Matthew 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God."

Psalm 36:6 "Your righteousness is like the great mountains; your judgments are a great deep: O LORD, you preserve man and beast."

John 17:17 "Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth."

Proverbs 4:18 "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shines more and more to the perfect day."

May you find joy and peace as you walk in the Spirit and allow the righteousness of Christ to be manifested in your life!
 
When Jesus said go and sin no more. Was He asking an impossibility? No
Christ made it possible that she could "go" anywhere after the adulteress was found sinning.
By Christ's power we can sin no more.
Does no man condemn you?
No one, Lord.
Neither do I condemn you (He's the only One who has the power).
The new covenant is not a licence to sin. Like you said.
It is neither a permit, consent, grant, authorization, privilege, nor green light to sin. In fact, the strongest antonym for license happens to be "responsibility."
It is power to obey.
In Rom 10:6-8, Paul rightly divided the word of life in Deut 30:11-14 from the choice of death (Deut 30:15) set before the Israelites in Deut 30:16-18 And has heaven and earth as witness that He has left them the choice in Deut 30:19 reiterating that choice of life referenced in "this commandment" in Deut 30:11 that is "not too difficult nor beyond your reach." Why? Deut 30:14, "Because the word is very near you; it is in your mouth, and in your heart, so that you may obey it." This is the commandment that God would rather that they chose to obey "and hold fast to Him (If the choice were left to His will). For He is your life, and He will prolong your life..." as opposed to the choice of Deut 30:16-18 where you love, and you walk, and you keep so that you may live and that God may (this is a choice where God may not unless you "do all that God commands". But if you do not then you perish, and you shall not prolong your days... The word 'may' is used to denote permission granted, isn't it?

But I really don't expect this idea to be given much fair consideration as the correct treatment of these words, even as this commandment is exactly that which Paul had referenced.
 
Now if Jesus can sin, then so can we.
Jesus could choose to sin but never did sin. Jesus never sinned, and He is our example.
We can walk like Jesus
We can live like Jesus.
We are able to live without sin like Jesus. The power is from heaven not self.

Living like Jesus is not only possible but is the high calling and standard for every believer who seeks to walk in the light of God’s truth. To live like Christ means to have His Spirit abiding within you, enabling you to reflect His character in every word and action.

The ultimate goal of the Christian life is to reach the perfection of character demonstrated by our Redeemer. We are called to advance continually until we are transformed into His image.

If we claim to abide in Christ, we are under a sacred obligation to conduct our lives in the same manner that He did. 1 John 2:6.

The Command for Perfection: Our Heavenly Father sets a standard of perfection for us, asking us to be perfect in our human sphere just as He is perfect in His divine sphere. Matthew 5:48.

Jesus did not live to please Himself but lived a life of self-sacrifice. To follow Him, we must take up our cross daily and deny our selfish desires. Luke 9:23.
 
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Jesus could choose to sin but never did sin. Jesus never sinned, and He is our example.
We can walk like Jesus
We can live like Jesus.
We are able to live without sin like Jesus. The power is from heaven not self.

Living like Jesus is not only possible but is the high calling and standard for every believer who seeks to walk in the light of God’s truth. To live like Christ means to have His Spirit abiding within you, enabling you to reflect His character in every word and action.

The ultimate goal of the Christian life is to reach the perfection of character demonstrated by our Redeemer. We are called to advance continually until we are transformed into His image.

If we claim to abide in Christ, we are under a sacred obligation to conduct our lives in the same manner that He did. 1 John 2:6.

The Command for Perfection: Our Heavenly Father sets a standard of perfection for us, asking us to be perfect in our human sphere just as He is perfect in His divine sphere. Matthew 5:48.

Jesus did not live to please Himself but lived a life of self-sacrifice. To follow Him, we must take up our cross daily and deny our selfish desires. Luke 9:23.
Good for you. No doubt you live the perfect life that you demand of everyone.
 
So your example is a man. Maybe keep your eyes on Jesus?
Jesus could choose to sin but never did sin. Jesus never sinned, and He is our example.
We can walk like Jesus
We can live like Jesus.
We are able to live without sin like Jesus. The power is from heaven not self.

Living like Jesus is not only possible but is the high calling and standard for every believer who seeks to walk in the light of God’s truth. To live like Christ means to have His Spirit abiding within you, enabling you to reflect His character in every word and action.

The ultimate goal of the Christian life is to reach the perfection of character demonstrated by our Redeemer. We are called to advance continually until we are transformed into His image.

If we claim to abide in Christ, we are under a sacred obligation to conduct our lives in the same manner that He did. 1 John 2:6.

The Command for Perfection: Our Heavenly Father sets a standard of perfection for us, asking us to be perfect in our human sphere just as He is perfect in His divine sphere. Matthew 5:48.

Jesus did not live to please Himself but lived a life of self-sacrifice. To follow Him, we must take up our cross daily and deny our selfish desires. Luke 9:23.
You set yourself up as the example. You keep telling everybody else how they should live. How about you?
 
You set yourself up as the example. You keep telling everybody else how they should live. How about you?
You haven't said anything. You posted your example of a man's failings as your example. God said through Paul forget those things that behind move forward to the high calling that is in Christ Jesus in respect to being perfected.

Anything else is of unbelief and will toss you like the waves of the sea. Not let any man in this state think he will receive anything from the Lord our God.
 
You haven't said anything. You posted your example of a man's failings as your example. God said through Paul forget those things that behind move forward to the high calling that is in Christ Jesus in respect to being perfected.

Anything else is of unbelief and will toss you like the waves of the sea. Not let any man in this state think he will receive anything from the Lord our God.
Yes, keep dodging the question. You, TMS and others are keen to promote the moral high ground, judging others in spite of knowing nothing about them. I want to know how well you live up to your own standard.
 
Yes, keep dodging the question. You, TMS and others are keen to promote the moral high ground, judging others in spite of knowing nothing about them. I want to know how well you live up to your own standard.
You haven't said anything. It is not my standard, words it is God’s. You posted your example of a man's failings as your example. And then your own thoughts and surmising when we are to be living out of every word that preceded out of the mouth of God. When given a thus saith the Lord you answer with your words. Your words are not of faith but of unbelief.

God said through Paul forget those things that behind move forward to the high calling that is in Christ Jesus in respect to being perfected.

Anything else is of unbelief and will toss you like the waves of the sea. Not let any man in this state think he will receive anything from the Lord our God.
 
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Yes, keep dodging the question. You, TMS and others are keen to promote the moral high ground, judging others in spite of knowing nothing about them. I want to know how well you live up to your own standard.
It is not judgment..
It is simply stating the truth.
I am not judging you. I am saying you can do all things in Christ who strengthens you.
I am stating that we can be more then conquerors. I'm not claiming perfectionism, but I am pointing you to the hope of overcoming all sins through Christ.. is God able to recreate a new heart in us? Yes. Is God able to renew a right spirit in us? Yes

Rom 8:37-39
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We can do all things including overcoming sin by the power of Christ.
Because I have promoted this high standard you feel judged. I'm sorry you feel that way... it is ment to be HOPE.

Great HOPE
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
....2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
 
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Yup ! You sure do act and talk like a Pharisee ...

Sister White harmonized with Scripture 100%, and her counsels promote obedience to God unto salvation, unlike your religion of disobedience to God and His Moral Law, which only leads to DEATH... She contradicts "Your understanding" of scripture !! which is the same understanding promoted by the antiChrist spirit in the world, mostly by it's "apostate protestant" corrupted "dispensationalist" religion, developed and promoted by John Nelson Darby, in the mid - 1800s

Jesus called out the Pharisees he was talking to, with their "works" based religion, rather than an actual Heart Transformed to LOVE, which is the Born Again, "converted" to the nature of Christ, ... into the likeness of the "obedient" Jesus and His Righteousness, unto Salvation.
Just sayin'


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I’ll pray that God heals your ignorance
 
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I’ll pray that God heals your ignorance
Okay ! Sure ! You pray for me and I'll pray that you wake up from this world's religion of Disobedience to God, thinking that you are Sanctified and Saved...

Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." = Lawlessness !!

Matthew 25: 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Truly I say to you, I know you not.


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The Religion of Lawlessness — The Ultimate Fruit ( as in Eden, so today .. :-(

"Mystery of Iniquity" Is Lawlessness

Paul called the Antichrist the "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thessalonians 2:7). The Greek word ἀνομία (anomia) literally means "lawlessness" — the setting aside of God's law.

The Papacy fulfilled this by claiming authority to change God's law:

  • Changed the Sabbath — substituting Sunday for the biblical seventh-day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11).
  • Removed the second commandment — Catholic catechisms omit the prohibition against graven images.
  • Split the tenth commandment — to maintain the count of ten after removing the second.
This systematic alteration is the essence of the "mystery of iniquity" — the spirit of lawlessness Paul warned would characterize the Antichrist.

How Futurism Enables Continued Lawlessness



The Religion of Lawlessness — The Ultimate Fruit

"Mystery of Iniquity" Is Lawlessness

Paul called the Antichrist the "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thessalonians 2:7). The Greek word ἀνομία (anomia) literally means "lawlessness" — the setting aside of God's law.

The Papacy fulfilled this by claiming authority to change God's law:

  • Changed the Sabbath — substituting Sunday for the biblical seventh-day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11).
  • Removed the second commandment — Catholic catechisms omit the prohibition against graven images.
  • Split the tenth commandment — to maintain the count of ten after removing the second.
This systematic alteration is the essence of the "mystery of iniquity" — the spirit of lawlessness Paul warned would characterize the Antichrist.

How Futurism Enables Continued Lawlessness

By teaching that the Antichrist hasn't appeared yet, futurism effectively declares the Papacy innocent of being the man of lawlessness:

1. The Sabbath change is not recognized as the prophesied alteration of "times and laws." It's treated as a legitimate Christian tradition rather than the fulfillment of Daniel 7:25.

2. The 1260 years of papal supremacy are dismissed as irrelevant. Futurism teaches they are a future 3½-year period, not a historical era — rendering centuries of persecution and law-changing invisible.

3. The "mark of the beast" is reassigned to a future barcode, microchip, or political ID — rather than the enforcement of Sunday worship, the Papacy's self-proclaimed mark of authority.

4. Sola Scriptura is undermined. If the Papacy is not the Antichrist, the Reformation's theological foundation collapses, and Rome's claim to authority over Scripture is legitimized.

5. Christians await a sudden future dictator rather than recognizing that the spirit of Antichrist has operated through history since the Papacy's rise.


The Timeline of Deception

Stage 1 — The Counter-Reformation (1585): Ribera publishes his futurist commentary. The Papacy, unable to refute the Protestant identification from Scripture, manufactures an alternative interpretation removing itself from prophetic scrutiny.

Stage 2 — Protestant Adoption (1830s): Darby revives and expands the Jesuit futurist framework. Through the Scofield Reference Bible, millions of Protestants adopt a system designed to defend the Papacy against Protestant identification.

Stage 3 — Modern Evangelical Embrace (20th–21st Century): Through The Late Great Planet Earth (Hal Lindsey, 1970) and the Left Behind series (LaHaye and Jenkins, 1995–2007), dispensational futurism becomes the dominant evangelical eschatology. The historicist view of the Reformers is largely forgotten.

Stage 4 — The Final Deception (Last Days): With historicism abandoned, the Papacy operates without prophetic scrutiny. The stage is set for Revelation 13's final crisis — the enforcement of Sunday worship through civil law — while Christians, trained by futurism, look in the wrong direction.

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Yes,the Decalogue is a Covenant.

So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. (Deut. 4:13 NASB)

When I went up on the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the LORD had made with you …The LORD gave me two stone tablets inscribed by the finger of God …the two stone tablets, the tablets of the covenant. (Deut.9:9-11 NIV)

Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant–the Ten Commandments. (Exod. 34:27, 28 NIV)

Summary
The concept of the Ten Commandments as a covenant document is not a series of theological deductions derived from my particular system of theology; it is a statement of biblical fact. It is demonstrated in the texts of Scripture that we just covered. The Bible teaches that the Ten Commandments are a distinct and specific covenant document! The Bible teaches that the Ten Commandments are the terms of the Old Covenant! The Bible uses the terms ‘Ten Commandments’, ‘tables of stone’, ‘tablets of testimony’, ‘words of the covenant’, and ‘tablets of the covenant’ as interchangeable terms. According to the Bible, all of these terms mean exactly the same thing. ...Continues at link below



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Let's be helpful to one another here and Give Christ sacrificed his due.

We were born separated from God. Because our spirit was hardened to the things of God, i.e being spiritually dead.

We only knew the ways of the world because our focus was upon gratification of the flesh.

When we were Saved,we were born again. The Holy Spirit alive within us,allowed us to then understand the things of God as a new creation. We are no longer classified as Sinners.

Once we accept Christ, I agree our identity goes from dead on our sins Sinners to, that of saints, believers, and children of God.