Nebuchadnezzar's image vs. the heads of the Beast. Can you match them up?

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Why is iron iconically Roman in Scripture? Because Daniel’s successive-empire prophecy identifies the fourth kingdom by the very qualities that most distinctively characterized Rome: ironlike strength, crushing military power, and the ability to break other nations into pieces.
And Islam did not, for a season, have "ironlike strength, crushing military power, and the ability to break other nations into pieces” , but dividing into factions “feet and toes of iron mixed with clay"?
 
And Islam did not, for a season, have "ironlike strength, crushing military power, and the ability to break other nations into pieces” , but dividing into factions “feet and toes of iron mixed with clay"?
No.
 
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The three kings are "subdued". This could mean defeated in battle (my pick), assassinated, politically deposed or otherwise disposed of.

I already debunked the opinion that three of the Ten Kings fell. The Bible does not contradict itself. You need to correct your research. Sorry.

Interestingly, I was reading the Hitler thread that @ResidentAlien made, and look what I found:

Yet when we look at Revelation we do not find any of the kings/horns being "plucked up":

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

All ten horns remain as kings with kingdoms the entire "hour" of the GT. The only time any of them fall or are subdued is when the entire beast with all ten horns and 7 heads is defeated by Christ at Armageddon.

In addition:

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Again, all ten kings remain fully intact and even all together attack Babylon which happens at the end or just after the end of the great tribulation. Again this shows none of the ten horns/kings are subdued as we find in Daniel.

That is another Witness to your research being incorrect.
 
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Isalm will rather be integrated into the global religion system, symbolized by the Great Harlot of Babylon.
I asked Google “In what way could Islamic civilization be described as a mixture of iron and clay?”

The answer was -
"Islam has been described as a civilization of iron mixed with clay because it combines military strength and expansion (iron) with internal divisions and instability (clay).
Bible Hub Tomorrow's World

I would also suggest that it could be because it spread through a combination of military might (iron) and humanity (clay), i.e. partly violence and partly by philosophy, trade, friendliness and and presenting an appearance of compassion.
 
I already debunked the opinion that three of the Ten Kings fell. The Bible does not contradict itself. You need to correct your research. Sorry.

Interestingly, I was reading the Hitler thread that @ResidentAlien made, and look what I found:



That is another Witness to your research being incorrect.
No you did not. See the triple redundancy noted below. I am unquestionably correct.

As for Hitler being one of the seven heads: preposterous. Give your own head a shake.

This specific detail is found in the Book of Daniel, specifically within Daniel's vision of the four beasts. The angel explicitly explains this imagery in Daniel 7:8, 7:20, and 7:24.

The key passage detailing the subduing of the three kings is Daniel 7:24:
"And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings."

This is mirrored in Daniel's initial description of the vision in Daniel 7:8:
"I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

And again in Daniel 7:20:
"And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell..."
 
I asked Google “In what way could Islamic civilization be described as a mixture of iron and clay?”

The answer was -
"Islam has been described as a civilization of iron mixed with clay because it combines military strength and expansion (iron) with internal divisions and instability (clay).
Bible Hub Tomorrow's World

I would also suggest that it could be because it spread through a combination of military might (iron) and humanity (clay), i.e. partly violence and partly by philosophy, trade, friendliness and and presenting an appearance of compassion.
That's a loaded question, algorithm will only confirm your presupposition, showing you only what you wanna see, aren't you aware of that?
 
That's a loaded question, algorithm will only confirm your presupposition, showing you only what you wanna see, aren't you aware of that?
It gives two sources other than myself, who have postulated what I am suggesting. I’m not claiming the idea is indisputable. I am saying it is not unreasonable. to consider it a possibility.
 
It gives two sources other than myself, who have postulated what I am suggesting. I’m not claiming the idea is indisputable. I am saying it is not unreasonable. to consider it a possibility.
It will be incorporated into the global false religion, in one way or another. The Beast though is still the Antichrist who only worships "might is right", he doesn't recognize either the God most High or any other (pagan) deities.
 
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The key passage detailing the subduing of the three kings is Daniel 7:24:
"And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings."

You keep making the same mistake over and over. This is something the rookies do. You isolated a verse and then falsely interpreted it instead of looking at the context. By doing that, you contradicted several passages in Revelation.

Go back a few verses:

Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The three kings that fell are the ones listed above. The fourth king is the one who survived to become the Little Horn.
 
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You keep making the same mistake over and over. This is something the rookies do. You isolated a verse and then falsely interpreted it instead of looking at the context. By doing that, you contradicted several passages in Revelation.

Go back a few verses:



The three kings that fell are the ones listed above. The fourth king is the one who survived to become the Little Horn.
No. 🥲
 
You keep making the same mistake over and over. This is something the rookies do. You isolated a verse and then falsely interpreted it instead of looking at the context. By doing that, you contradicted several passages in Revelation.

Go back a few verses:



The three kings that fell are the ones listed above. The fourth king is the one who survived to become the Little Horn.
I mostly agree there. It seems to me that the four kings are kings (representing kingdoms/empires) to come after Babylon, which was the present king/dom.
"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted upfrom the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.” Medo-Persia, who showed humanity in releasing the Jews rto return to their homeland and rebuild the temple and city.

" a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.” Greece, who sealed his victory over Medo-Persia through three great battles: Granicus, Issus and Gaugamela.

"another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.” Rome, able to quickly move through her roading system and developed a headship of four rulers governing tetrarchies, the first being
  • Diocletian (Augustus, East)
  • Maximian (Augustus, West)
  • Galerius (Caesar / junior emperor under Diocletian)
  • Constantius Chlorus (Caesar / junior emperor under Maximian)
"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.” Islam, which dhimmi-ized Jews and Chistians or executed them, if they refused to pay the jizya tax. It was different in that it was an empire whose goal is to impose its religion on the whole world and allow no other faiths.
Perhaps it will revive at the end and a caliphate of ten Islamic kingdoms/countries will be its final governing body, of which three leaders will be purged and replaced by the little horn.

Dan 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were threeof the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouthspeaking great things.
 
I mostly agree there. It seems to me that the four kings are kings (representing kingdoms/empires) to come after Babylon, which was the present king/dom.
"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted upfrom the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.” Medo-Persia, who showed humanity in releasing the Jews rto return to their homeland and rebuild the temple and city.

I've noticed there are some who interpret it that way.

I think Daniel would have understood the symbolism of the lion as being Babylon.

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The symbols parallel perfectly with what happened in other chapters. Think of Nebuchadnezzar being turned into a beast with feathers and then back to human again. Breaking the pattern just causes confusion in my opinion.
 
I've noticed there are some who interpret it that way.

I think Daniel would have understood the symbolism of the lion as being Babylon.

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The symbols parallel perfectly with what happened in other chapters. Think of Nebuchadnezzar being turned into a beast with feathers and then back to human again. Breaking the pattern just causes confusion in my opinion.
In Dan. 2 he present king, Nebuchadnezzar, is the head of gold.
Dan 2:37
Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength,and glory.
Dan 2:38
And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he giveninto thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

Dan 7, the four kings “shall arise”.
Dan 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

If the present king were the first, the lion with four wings, it seems to me that the first beast, the lion with four wings, would already have been on the earth, not going to arise.
 
There is only one way to interpret the Little Horn of Daniel 7, and the Little Horn of Daniel 8, in such a manner that does not contradict the rest of the Bible.

Little Horn of Daniel 8:
This would be the sixth head of the Beast, i.e., Rome.

Little Horn of Daniel 7:
This would be the eighth head of the Beast whose deadly wound is healed.

Put them together, and you can see why so many use the phrase "Revived Roman Empire". The head that receives the deadly head wound is the sixth.

Where most get it wrong is in Daniel 11. They interpret the Little Horn of Daniel 8 as Antiochus IV Epiphanes because they failed to get the timeline in Daniel 11 interpreted correctly. Antiochus IV Epiphanes (King of the North) dies in Daniel 11:19. After that comes Julius Caesar, Octavian, etc. Thus, the King of the North becomes the Roman Empire, aka... Little Horn of Daniel 8.