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What is your answer to this question "Who was God's First Born Son.?"
What is your answer to this question "Who was God's First Born Son.?"
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Welp... There are three.
The Son and only begotten of God, Christ Jesus.
The son, Adam.
Israel is also referred to His first born. But, by extension, should be understood to be Christ, the Seed.
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Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
The man Christ Jesus would be God's first born son even if He was not the first human born.
Israel is the first born son of the chosen people.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of Him to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
But it happened in the future.
The man Christ Jesus is the beginning of creation but as God He has no beginning.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh.
And without that plan God would of not created anything He created.
The Word wad already in the beginning before God came in flesh.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
This is the man Christ Jesus speaking of having glory in the beginning and the Father loving Him before the foundation of the world because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.
It is not Jesus speaking as God for He asked the Father to give the saints that same glory but they could not receive that glory.
Jesus asked if they could have a glorified body like His and behold His glory as He sits on the throne in heaven.
The man Christ Jesus is the first born Son and the beginning of creation.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
The man Christ Jesus would be God's first born son even if He was not the first human born.
Israel is the first born son of the chosen people.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of Him to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
But it happened in the future.
The man Christ Jesus is the beginning of creation but as God He has no beginning.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh.
And without that plan God would of not created anything He created.
The Word wad already in the beginning before God came in flesh.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
This is the man Christ Jesus speaking of having glory in the beginning and the Father loving Him before the foundation of the world because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.
It is not Jesus speaking as God for He asked the Father to give the saints that same glory but they could not receive that glory.
Jesus asked if they could have a glorified body like His and behold His glory as He sits on the throne in heaven.
The man Christ Jesus is the first born Son and the beginning of creation.
Do you find it "interesting" that while many Christians believe in the Trinity as established by the cohesion of Roman Government that God the Father and God the Son and much later the Holy Spirit are the same "substance," It is not in the broader text of the one quoted. I also find it interesting that your proof texts tend to skip around to support whatever anybody doing the same can come up with anything the prefer.
So let's look at the scriptures in total and lets see if your Proof Texting stands up. 20 “I am not praying only on their behalf, but also on behalf of those who believe in me through their testimony, 21 that they will all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they will be in us, so that the world will believe that you sent me. 22 The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one – 23I in them and you in me – that they may be completely one, so that the world will know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me.
Did Jesus's prayer to God that all believers would be as one, just as Jesus and God are one work out? There are tens of thousands of Christians denominations, Non-denominations and Charismatic Christian church that have almost nothing in common and who hate each other.
How is it that Jesus, part of the Godhead, Himself asked for something that never happened to this very day. Did He not know that what He was asking against God's will?
How do you justify that animosity generated by your creeds, catechisms, statement of faith, rules of governance, dogmas and justifications? In fact, some estimate that millions were murdered, torchered, subjugated and impoverished by Christian wars against other Christians and against all who were "infidels," who were promised Heaven if they died killing non-christians. Did Jesus get it wrong or did God decide massive conflict, the need for human civilizations destroyed, millions murdered, torchered, and burned was the best way forward?
That question is awkwardly worded because it can be interpreted several ways, none of which cleanly satisfies all three key words.
If "First Born" is taken literally, then Cain is the first. He is the son of God (as all human males are), and the first person "born", but of Adam and only indirectly of God.
If we limit the answers to humans and simply emphasize "First Son", then the first is Adam.
If we emphasize "First Son" without limiting it to humans, then it is one of the unnamed sons of God mentioned in Deuteronomy 32, Job 38, and Psalm 82, and .
If we take "First Born" to mean simply "first in existence" then the answer is Jesus, though He is eternal and was only "born" a little over 2,000 years ago.
Exo 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
er 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them:I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall notstumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Col 1:18
And he (Jesus Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Heb 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn (Jesus Christ), which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
The true church the firstborn love each other regardless of denominational flavours in creeds, catechisms, statement of faith, rules of governance, dogmas.
Christendom and Christianity are not the same.
The former is a political affiliation, professing an authority that comes from Christ, claiming a superiority over others, and imposing rule over others out of pride, confirming one’s membership to Christendom with the evidences of creeds, catechisms, statement of faith, rules of governance, dogmas and rites that profess faith in Christ.
The latter is a spiritual affiliation, confessing submission to Christ, offering to serve others in humility not expecting a return, and is evidenced by a sincere love of all men in gratitude towards Christ.
Adam, "son of God", Luke 3.
However, "son of God" in general is a poor translation, in the OT it usually refer to the hosts of heaven, aka angels, who share the same spiritual nature with God, especially the rebellious ones, such as the sons of God in Job 1, among them was Satan; but they could also refer to God's representatives on earth who speak for God and teach others about godly matters. "Begotten son" usually means the unique, one and only legitimate heir who has the exlusive right to the inheritance.
Paul
I really like your thoughts here. I do wonder if it is a distinction without a difference. Tell me more about you belief in a spiritual affiliation as it is hard for me to see.
Christianity is “the Way. It’s members generate unity by a common way of living in fellowship with God and is characterised by displaying likeness to the Father, who is revealed through the Son and manifest in us by the Holy Spirit, producing service and the fruit of the Spirit, hence a spiritual affiliation (from ad filius i.e. to a son, originally signifying adoption into a family), to have a legitimate claim to be living in and expressing the love of Christ. The fruit of the Spirit are a priority among those in “the Way”.
Christendom is an ideology. Its members attempt to generate unity by holding to a common set of propositions about God, and is characterised by power plays and contentions designed to impose/enforce the “correct/orthodox" proposition sets that must be imposed upon members of any particular sect within Christendom in order for them to have legitimately claim to belong to that sect. Expressing the fruit of the Spirit is not a priority of members.
Paul
You may be painting with a broad brush. The definition for a "legitimate claim to be living in and expressing the love of Christ" has definitions that go back either 600 or 1,600 years. Interestingly enough, the only thing that the thousands of Christian sects, denominations, creeds and catechisms agree about is the worship of God through Christ.
I believe if you read closely, you will find that "living in fellowship with God" is tightly, some may say the connection is titanium, that living in fellowship with God who you have not seen starts with a loving community of people loving each other first. "How can you say you love God when you hate your brother?"
I think there is a unity of thought and purpose in the combined text of 1 Corinthians 13 and Galatians 5:20+ is that if you can't come to love your brother/neighbor than your claims to "love God" are bogus. You are correct. Long before further definition, Christ followers were known as the way. Which may mean they were known for what they did instead of just what they claimed to believe
I agree with those who say that the question is ambiguous. Various entities are referred to as "sons of God", so which member of which group of entities are you looking for? Adam was the first specifically mentioned as having been created, Jesus is identified as the first born, Israel is also and there are an unknown number of divine or semi-divine entities referred to as "sons of God", with few identified and it is unclear which of these was first.