My apologies, I'm a little confused on faith right now. How Is Christianity True?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Kafziel

Active member
Dec 28, 2018
228
61
28
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.
 
  • Pray
Reactions: 2Christ
My apologies if I shook your faith, I don't really mean to but I just find logical problems with the existence of an all powerful deity who is helpless to stop Satan.
 
I'm sorry for projecting this onto you, I just need a good answer, and many minds are better than one.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2Christ
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.

God is merciful, because He forgives everyone who cooperates with His condition for salvation.
Sinners have only themselves to blame for not resisting Satan but instead choosing to believe lies.
God created humans with moral free will rather than robots, even though they may unleash evil in this world until the Judgment.
Insofar as the infinite and invisible divine essence can be manifest via the human dimension, that person is Jesus.

Hope you are a truthseeker and no longer confused regarding those questions (2Thes. 2:10, 1Tim. 2:3-4).
Next question? :cool:
 
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.
God is merciful and He allowed Adam and Eve to do something that He specifically warned them about without killing them. He was obviously speaking to Adam and Eve in the spiritual sense of death but still He warned them. Then He forgave them and restored them back to their spiritual status. Unfortunately, the repercussions of their actions resulted into now being in a world governed by Satan.
We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.
The triune God is Father-WORD-Holy Spirit. John 1:1 explains that Jesus is the WORD who became flesh to dwell with us. Paul later explains that the WORD or (as he wrote it) God made Himself lower than the Angels and manifested Himself into flesh to preach the Gospel and to heal the sick. So there's plenty of Verses that verify Who Jesus is in the New Testament.
I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.
You are not confused. Your eyes have never been open to see the Truth. I pray this will happen.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.
I think that you are asking very valid question. You cite traditional positions and recognize that they do not make sense as presented. In fact, some of the questions are asked by scholars, and they debate them at length without finding answers that satisfy them. It is more often those who do not truly dwell on the questions of faith that find the answers to be easy.

Might I suggest changing some of your basic assumptions? But I warn you that changing assumptions is hard, because there are many ways to change for the worse, far more than to change for the better, and many will not be happy with you for challenging the solutions they have found to be soothing, if not totally comfortable.

Now if you want to start changing assumptions, might I suggest with reconsidering why God created the universe. Then reconsider just what the role of Satan is, remembering that in Job he is a member of God's court and wanders on earth between visits to heaven.
 
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.

I don't think you should be sorry for being confused. These are serious questions, and honestly, asking them is better than simply accepting an answer you do not understand.

There is an old saying that knowledge is power. There is truth in that. When we do not have enough knowledge about something, it is easy to become uncertain, doubtful, and undecided. Sometimes the problem is not that the truth makes no sense, but that we have not yet gathered enough pieces to see the whole picture.

So I would encourage you to keep asking questions but also to examine the ideas behind the questions carefully. Otherwise, we can end up rejecting something because of a picture of it that was never actually true in the first place.

I think that is happening with several things in what you wrote.

First, the Bible never says that God made Satan into a beast and then gave him the earth so that he could unleash evil upon mankind. Some passages are sometimes understood as describing Satan's fall, but we should be careful not to turn symbolic passages into a story the Bible itself never plainly tells.

What the Bible does say is that evil entered God's creation through rebellion, and that God has allowed Satan limited freedom for a time. But allowing something is not the same as causing it.

Jesus made this distinction very clearly. When He was speaking about the devil, He said:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (John 8:44, NKJV)

Notice what Jesus does not say. He does not say that God made Satan evil and then blamed Satan for what God Himself had done. He describes Satan as someone who chose falsehood and became a murderer.

There is also an important difference between God's mercy and God's refusal to judge evil.

If a judge sees someone hurting innocent people and simply says, "I am merciful, therefore I will never judge you," that would not really be mercy toward the victims. It would be injustice.

Biblical mercy does not mean that God calls evil good. It means that God gives people an opportunity to turn away from evil before judgment comes.

And this is where Jesus becomes extremely important.

You said that Jesus does not seem to be an accurate representation of God because Jesus is not truly God in the Trinity. But that is actually different from what the Christian doctrine of the Trinity teaches.

The Trinity does not say that Jesus is merely a good man who represents God. It says that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct, yet there is one God. Jesus Himself made claims that go far beyond being merely a prophet or representative.

I and My Father are one. (John 10:30, NKJV)

And when His disciple Thomas saw the risen Jesus, he said: My Lord and my God! (John 20:28, NKJV)

Jesus did not correct him. But there is something even more important in your question. You asked whether Jesus is really what God is like. Jesus answered that question Himself:

He who has seen Me has seen the Father. (John 14:9, NKJV)

That means if we want to know what God's character is like, Jesus is not a problem that we have to explain away. Jesus is the very person we are supposed to look at. Look at how Jesus treated sinners.

He called people to repent, but He also forgave them. He warned people about judgment, but He also wept over Jerusalem.

He taught people to love their enemies. He healed people who were suffering.

He welcomed the rejected. He told His disciples to forgive again and again.

And when He was being crucified, He prayed: Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do. (Luke 23:34, NKJV)

So I would not begin by asking, "How can God be like Jesus?"

I would begin with Jesus' own statement: He who has seen Me has seen the Father.

Then the harder question becomes: What do we do with the parts of Jesus' teaching about judgment?

Because Jesus did speak about judgment. He spoke about hell, destruction, separation from God, and the consequences of refusing God's way. We cannot honestly remove those words simply because they make us uncomfortable.

But notice something very important: Jesus did not take pleasure in the destruction of people.
When He looked at Jerusalem, He said:
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! "(Matthew 23:37, NKJV)

There is both love and judgment in Jesus' teaching.
That may actually be closer to justice than the idea that God simply sends people to punishment because He wants to.
Jesus repeatedly presents the matter as a choice. God calls people to life, but He does not force them to love Him.

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. "(Matthew 7:13, NKJV)

And He also says: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16, NKJV)

So perhaps the question is not really, "Why isn't God exactly like the gentle parts of Jesus?"

The Christian answer is that Jesus is showing us what God is like.The difficult part is accepting that perfect love and perfect justice are not opposites. A God who loves His creation should oppose evil. A God who is just should judge evil. And a God who is merciful should give people an opportunity to repent.

Jesus presents all three.

So I would not tell you to stop questioning. I would encourage you to go one step deeper. Instead of trying to understand God first through doctrines about God, start with the person who claimed to reveal God to us.

Read Jesus' words carefully. Not what someone says Jesus said. Not what a denomination says Jesus meant.

Read what Jesus actually said, especially in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Then ask one simple question: If Jesus really shows me what the Father is like, what kind of God do I see when I look at Him?

That question may lead you much further than an argument about theology ever could. if you have any questions, please do not be shy.
 
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.
I understand your confusion. God is the most misunderstood Being in the universe. I will try to answer your questions. It's hard to be more than superficial on a forum like this.

Satan. Satan was originally Lucifer. "Lucifer" means light bearer. When Lucifer rebelled against God, it was not a minor issue like a child throwing a tantrum. It was an attempted take over of heaven. So God kicked him out.

It is demonstrable from the Bible that Satan once ruled the world as Lucifer. When God evicted him, Lucifer's light went out. He was brought down to earth literally. God created Adam and Eve and gave them authority over His creation. God did not give authority to Satan.

Adam was given just one instruction. Satan knew this and lured Eve to disobey. Adam joined her in disobedience. Effectively, Adam, who ruled the earth, joined Satan's team, so to speak. God had already warned Adam what would happen and so it came to pass.

Mercy. I don't know about you, but many people have been betrayed by someone they trusted. For example, Hitler and Stalin formed an alliance in WW2. They divided Poland between them. But Hitler betrayed Stalin and invaded Russia. Russia got revenge by destroying much of Germany's military. No mercy shown there.

What has God done to those who rebelled against Him, joined forces with God's arch enemy? Fundamentally, left us to our own ways. If you follow the news, you will know what a disaster that is. God needs do nothing. Man's wounds are self inflicted. The nation of Israel is a different story. I will explain if you wish, but this is long enough as it is.

God's mercy is obvious. Man still exists. God could quite rightly wipe every single life off the earth and start again. God still sends rain and the sun still shines. What do people do? Complain. Some want it hot, some want it cold, some welcome rain, others prefer it dry. You tell me how to keep everyone happy.

The Bible tells us that man did not know God. You are right that Jesus was merciful, kind and just. He did only good, healed the sick and set captives free. So what did people do? They killed Him. Why? Because He claimed to be God in human form.

I need to tell you about Israel, so I will start another post.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.
How is it not merciful and kind to allow people the eternity they have chosen for themselves?
 
I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.
OK, now to Israel. God's dealings with Israel are unique. God found a man who would trust Him and who would found a covenant nation. The man was Abraham. The nation was Israel. The sort version is that God made a covenant with Israel. It was a covenant of blessing and cursing. If Israel did the right thing, they would be most blessed and successful. If they disobeyed God, the consequences would be dire. Israel agreed to the terms of the agreement. God kept His end of the deal. There were times when Israel was the most powerful nation in the region. But mostly, Israel rebelled and suffered the consequences. When Jesus came to the earth, Israel was under the rule of Rome.

We live in an age when people are lawless and complain when they suffer the consequences of their behaviour. God is merciful but He is also just. It's funny how people want to escape justice but are livid if someone else gets away with a crime. God does not treat people as they deserve right now. God is patient. Justice will come soon enough.

People are weird and illogical. They blame God for the evil in the world. Yet they themselves don't want to accept their own responsibility. For example, I know a woman who drank wine and smoked dope while pregnant. The child was born with cerebral palsy, a well know effect of drinking alcohol while pregnant. She told me that she is a good person and does not know why God punished her. No, it is self inflicted an a child suffered terribly as a result.

If God wanted to remove all the evil in the world He would have to remove all the people. That includes you. Jesus came to save us from the evil in our own hearts by dying and rising again. Our wicked ways create a debt with God that we cannot pay. It's the debt of sin and the wages of sin is death. Jesus died to pay the debt that we owe God. He also rose again from the dead. Those who accept Him receive a new nature that pleasing to God. God, Jesus and His Holy Spirit can dwell in our new nature, which is a new spirit.

Many of these truths will become clear after you receive Jesus as Saviour and Lord. My advice is to ask God to help you to understand. You can be completely honest with God. If you are confused, tell Him. He will answer you one way or another. You've come to this forum, so you are seeking. Jesus said, seek and you will find.​
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
God is merciful and He allowed Adam and Eve to do something that He specifically warned them about without killing them. He was obviously speaking to Adam and Eve in the spiritual sense of death but still He warned them. Then He forgave them and restored them back to their spiritual status. Unfortunately, the repercussions of their actions resulted into now being in a world governed by Satan.

The triune God is Father-WORD-Holy Spirit. John 1:1 explains that Jesus is the WORD who became flesh to dwell with us. Paul later explains that the WORD or (as he wrote it) God made Himself lower than the Angels and manifested Himself into flesh to preach the Gospel and to heal the sick. So there's plenty of Verses that verify Who Jesus is in the New Testament.

You are not confused. Your eyes have never been open to see the Truth. I pray this will happen.

Is it my mistake for simply being born though? I weep for humanity, we're not in the best place, especially since the move away from religion. I wish I had never been born in this time, this time we may call the Kali Yuga for that prophecy is prophetic of our atheist times.
 
Is it my mistake for simply being born though? I weep for humanity, we're not in the best place, especially since the move away from religion. I wish I had never been born in this time, this time we may call the Kali Yuga for that prophecy is prophetic of our atheist times.
Smell test.
The milk has expired. You’ve been playing this same song and dance for awhile. Also, why would you choose a Kabbalah angel that represents Saturn?

Guessing this was a false conversion:

 
  • Like
Reactions: Komentaja
I think that you are asking very valid question. You cite traditional positions and recognize that they do not make sense as presented. In fact, some of the questions are asked by scholars, and they debate them at length without finding answers that satisfy them. It is more often those who do not truly dwell on the questions of faith that find the answers to be easy.

Might I suggest changing some of your basic assumptions? But I warn you that changing assumptions is hard, because there are many ways to change for the worse, far more than to change for the better, and many will not be happy with you for challenging the solutions they have found to be soothing, if not totally comfortable.

Now if you want to start changing assumptions, might I suggest with reconsidering why God created the universe. Then reconsider just what the role of Satan is, remembering that in Job he is a member of God's court and wanders on earth between visits to heaven.

Well maybe the role of Satan is balance is the answer I found, but it does not align with the Christian idea of God. He is not a god of balance in the bible. He is good by all rights.
 
Smell test.
The milk has expired. You’ve been playing this same song and dance for awhile. Also, why would you choose a Kabbalah angel that represents Saturn?

Guessing this was a false conversion:

I have changed my mind many times but I met the holy spirit, and it's just confused me into thinking I should choose a faith and sometimes that is Christianity and sometimes it is Buddhism. I simply cannot make up my mind. I'm sorry for being wayward.

The holy spirit looks like living water, if you must know, it is a water spirit in other religions.
 
Is it my mistake for simply being born though?
Not at all. You were born because God wanted you to live and you are.
I weep for humanity, we're not in the best place, especially since the move away from religion.
Well religion is man made so it's best to keep away from it.
I wish I had never been born in this time, this time we may call the Kali Yuga for that prophecy is prophetic of our atheist times.
Well, it's indicating a period of prophecy known as the Last Day's so it makes sense to how you wrote it.
 
I have changed my mind many times but I met the holy spirit, and it's just confused me into thinking I should choose a faith and sometimes that is Christianity and sometimes it is Buddhism. I simply cannot make up my mind. I'm sorry for being wayward.

The holy spirit looks like living water, if you must know, it is a water spirit in other religions.
We are born again ONCE.

By vacillating between satanic religions like Buddhism and then back to Christianity, you are crucifying Christ to yourself again, and trampling on His Blood.

You haven’t said why you chose your screen name to be a Kabbalah angel representing the planet Saturn?
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
Smell test.
The milk has expired. You’ve been playing this same song and dance for awhile. Also, why would you choose a Kabbalah angel that represents Saturn?

Guessing this was a false conversion:

At first I thought Christianity, but I have problems with your faith, I converted to buddhism and now I just don't know.
 
We are born again ONCE.

By vacillating between satanic religions like Buddhism and then back to Christianity, you are crucifying Christ to yourself again, and trampling on His Blood.

You haven’t said why you chose your screen name to be a Kabbalah angel representing the planet Saturn?
I'm sorry if I offended Jesus, I identify with Kafziel, the angel of loneliness and tears because I'm solitary and sad most of the time. I find it's my nature, so me and Kafziel share a nature.