was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

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I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?
 
I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?
Jesus offered His other cheek to them on behalf of His Father's house. He cited Isaiah 56:7 and Jeremiah 7:11 saying, "It is written... (Matt 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46)" and, seeing Him do this, his disciples remembered Psalm 69:9 (John 2:17). His Father's house was being insulted, and Jesus returned them their sentiment in kind.
 
I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?

Do you know what was happening in the temple at that time?
 
I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?
Jesus taught turn the other cheek.

He was promoting love which love works no ill towards their neighbor.

Jesus being love always led of the Holy Spirit could not hurt any person no matter how they acted towards Him.

So the logical conclusion is that He overturned the tables but He laid no hand or object on a human.

And the whip was to drive out the animals in the temple.

With Jesus overturning the tables thwarting the people's business they would leave and driving the animals out with a whip He cleaned up His Father's house.

The whip was not for the humans unless a person believes there is a contradiction in that area.

Why would someone think Jesus would lay a hand or object on a human for harm.

He did not even scare them with the whip but to get animals out you might have to get a little aggressive to get them out hence the whip.

Jesus was living the Christian lifestyle and was sinless so He could not go against that.
 
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I believe this incident is simply elaborating on the final judgement when He will separate the sheep from the Goats.
The vendors on the Temple grounds represent those who oppose the Body of Yeshua right up to that Judgement.
To criticizing this act is a desperate attempt to defame the Redeemer of all who would never begin to think of setting up shop in His Temple.
 
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The temple was a plase people went to hear the scriptures read aloud (because the luxurious acces we have as individuals to our own paper scriptures now wasn't a thing back then), and have community among the faithful like a current-day church.
People went to the temple to uplift each other, to find friends in God, for prayers, for council from elders, and to do things according to how it's written. Nobody has to be Holier than thou in the temple to worship in it.

Jesus did something brave by driving out those merchants who made that sacred place into a 'hot-spot' to sell baubles; their business was for their own gain, not for what that gathering place was about. It's like running a flea market at a hospice.
Imagine driving out those people who the world loved being there, and continuing to show your face around the place.
 
I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?
I think context is important. The "turn the other cheek" passage is in the context of being attacked by another person:

NKJV Luk 6:27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
Luk 6:28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.

When Jesus was arrested, beaten, mocked, spat upon, and eventually hung on the cross, He certainly did not retaliate, but prayed for those doing such things. We read:

NKJV 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1Pe 2:22 "WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH";
1Pe 2:23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
1Pe 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.


The money changers and sellers of animals in the temple was a different matter. (Incidentally, we are not told which part of the temple it was). These men were using temple premises for purposes they were not built for, to make money for themselves:

Mat 21:12 Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves.
Mat 21:13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER,' but you have made it a 'DEN OF THIEVES.'"

So these men were not attacking Jesus personally, but defiling God's temple.

Context is also important in what Jesus said about prayer. The words about going into one's closet to pray are contrasted, not with people using the temple for prayer, but with those who prayed in public on street corners in order that everyone would see them praying, and praise them for their supposed piety:

NKJV Mat 6:5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

We know that He cannot have been forbidding praying in the temple, because He told a parable about two men going to the temple to pray. Yes, one of them was a hypocrite, boasting about all the good things he had done, but the other was justified by God:

NKJV Luk 18:9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'
Luk 18:13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
 
I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?

There is a time for turning the other cheek and a time for kicking butt!
(Eccl. 3:1-8, Rom. 13:1-5)
 
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Jesus offered His other cheek to them on behalf of His Father's house. He cited Isaiah 56:7 and Jeremiah 7:11 saying, "It is written... (Matt 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46)" and, seeing Him do this, his disciples remembered Psalm 69:9 (John 2:17). His Father's house was being insulted, and Jesus returned them their sentiment in kind.
Maybe we have a different understanding of turning the other cheek.. To turn the other cheek is to allow someone to insult you, and not retaliate. You yourself even pointed out that what Jesus did was in retaliation to the insult of turning God's house of prayer into a den of thieves.
 
Do you know what was happening in the temple at that time?
I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done.

Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile taint, this courtyard would have been considered the least holy of all of the temple grounds and or spaces. Why was Jesus putting so much emphasis on where they where, when He told us previously to not pray and carry on (Holier than thou) in public, but rather go into your closet and pray.

thoughts?
 
Jesus taught turn the other cheek.
I know. This is why His actions here are confusing. as His actions aren't what one thinks of when they turn the other cheek.
He was promoting love which love works no ill towards their neighbor.
So what of the priests and money changers who Jesus kicked over their tables and released their sacrificial animals?

Ever throw a bunch of money in the air in a crowed space? Do you think the crow of people would simply pick up that money and return it to the hated money changers?

Someone potentially lost alot of money in that act. possible their livelihood/job. So my question is how can you potentially put someone out of thousands of dollars/pieces of silver by kicking over a table full of money, make a whip (cat of 9 tails most likly.) use it on these people and their live stock to scatter them, and still maintain 'turn the other cheek.'
Jesus being love always led of the Holy Spirit could not hurt any person no matter how they acted towards Him.
maybe read this particular story again. John 3: 13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.

To be consumed by zeal is to be consumed and controlled by one's passions
So the logical conclusion is that He overturned the tables but He laid no hand or object on a human.
Again,
Ever throw a bunch of money in the air in a crowed space? Do you think the crow of people would simply pick up that money and return it to the hated money changers?

Someone potentially lost alot of money in that act. possible their livelihood/job. So my question is how can you potentially put someone out of thousands of dollars/pieces of silver by kicking over a table full of money, make a whip (cat of 9 tails most likly.) use it on these people and their live stock to scatter them, and still maintain 'turn the other cheek.'

A cat of 9 tails is a whip made up of cords. it is not a whip the snaps or pops. it only works effectively when cords touch flesh. Otherwise it is no different than just waving your arms around in a threatening manner.
And the whip was to drive out the animals in the temple.

With Jesus overturning the tables thwarting the people's business they would leave and driving the animals out with a whip He cleaned up His Father's house.
indeed.
The whip was not for the humans unless a person believes there is a contradiction in that area.
Why wouldn't it be for humans? John 2 says His passions took control of Him. The whole point of this thread is to demonstrate Jesus was not just some peace, love, joy hippy, who could do not wrong in the eyes of others. When in fact Jesus doing wrong in the eyes of the temple leadership is what God Him executed, By design. I am wanting to point out is that Jesus is sovereign and one day will judge all of us which means the vast majority of us will be punished far worse than a whip ever could, under the authority of His word.

So whether Jesus Judges us here now in this life as with the money changers, or the pharisees who blasphemed the Holy Spirit or like the thief on the cross.. He has the power and authority to make those judgements and dole out the appropriate punishments. where as we do not. This is a legit do as I say and not as I do moment.
Why would someone think Jesus would lay a hand or object on a human for harm.
Because John 2 says He was over taken by His passions.
He did not even scare them with the whip but to get animals out you might have to get a little aggressive to get them out hence the whip.
So if a man you do not know is coming towards you. A man who has clearly 'lost control' (Overtaken by His passions) whipping animals, kicking over tables of money in the process/starting a riot, swinging a whip around, you would not feel threatened?

Jesus was living the Christian lifestyle and was sinless so He could not go against that.
Nothing in the law prevented Jesus for using that whip on people if He so chose to do so. What the law did was set up a series of consequences and restitution if Jesus/the attacker was found to be in the wrong. Jesus was not subject to the current 'christian' understanding of right and wrong/christian sense of the law..
 
Maybe we have a different understanding of turning the other cheek.. To turn the other cheek is to allow someone to insult you, and not retaliate. You yourself even pointed out that what Jesus did was in retaliation to the insult of turning God's house of prayer into a den of thieves.
So, then question is obvious, "Who has the wrong idea about 'turning the other cheek'?" And I wouldn't assert it as retaliation as much as an establishment of a firm standing. That is, if you catch me off guard on one cheek, you will not have that luxury to the other.
 
I believe this incident is simply elaborating on the final judgement when He will separate the sheep from the Goats.
So do I
The vendors on the Temple grounds represent those who oppose the Body of Yeshua right up to that Judgement.
indeed.
To criticizing this act is a desperate attempt to defame the Redeemer of all who would never begin to think of setting up shop in His Temple.
If one was to criticize this act I would agree. However if one is asking a question in light of 1 thess 5:21, then providing an answer to this question is something we as followers of Christ are tasked to do.
 
The temple was a plase people went to hear the scriptures read aloud (because the luxurious acces we have as individuals to our own paper scriptures now wasn't a thing back then), and have community among the faithful like a current-day church.
People went to the temple to uplift each other, to find friends in God, for prayers, for council from elders, and to do things according to how it's written. Nobody has to be Holier than thou in the temple to worship in it.

Jesus did something brave by driving out those merchants who made that sacred place into a 'hot-spot' to sell baubles; their business was for their own gain, not for what that gathering place was about. It's like running a flea market at a hospice.
Imagine driving out those people who the world loved being there, and continuing to show your face around the place.
I ask in the op, is what Jesus did consistent with the turn the other cheek message given in the sermon on the mount?
 

was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?


I noticed you have pastor/elder (or assistant pastor, youth pastor, etc.) under 'status'. I'm curious as to what you might teach
concerning your op or what your understanding of what Jesus did is.

You appear to declare yourself capable of teaching or expounding on scripture, so I what is your understanding?

And yes I see what you are asking here

I ask in the op, is what Jesus did consistent with the turn the other cheek message given in the sermon on the mount?

So I would also be interested in why you compare these two events

If you don't mind
 
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I think context is important. The "turn the other cheek" passage is in the context of being attacked by another person:
NKJV Luk 6:27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
Luk 6:28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.

When Jesus was arrested, beaten, mocked, spat upon, and eventually hung on the cross, He certainly did not retaliate, but prayed for those doing such things. We read:

NKJV 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1Pe 2:22 "WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH";
1Pe 2:23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
1Pe 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
ok...
>The money changers and sellers of animals in the temple was a different matter.
So why bring up what happened on the cross?
(Incidentally, we are not told which part of the temple it was).
The court yard of the gentiles is the only part of the temple 1. large enough to host all the people vendors and animals, and 2. the only place where the 'unclean' could congregate and have their unpure money exchanged for clean money.
These men were using temple premises for purposes they were not built for, to make money for themselves:
Jewish law prescribed the use of purest silver, which had blessed (Did not have a depiction of a foreign king or false god on it) the pure temple money had to be used in the temple in to buy a suitable sacrifice, or pay the annual temple tax. Keeping this temple silver (Tyrian shekel) on temple ground ensured it's purity. The court yard of the gentiles is the only place that would have allowed unclean money and animals to be traded for clean temple money and animals.
Mat 21:12 Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves.
Mat 21:13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER,' but you have made it a 'DEN OF THIEVES.'"

So these men were not attacking Jesus personally, but defiling God's temple.
This makes a bigger problem, no? Or are you saying it is ok do defend God's honor when it comes to holy things/relics? If someone burns a bible, or if someone defaces a church, do we whip them? or if a church decides to have a yard sale, are we supposed to kick over those vendor tables as well?
 
If someone under our care is being hurt by another, we cannot forgive them to make everything right. We must act. Otherwise our care for them is illegitimate.