How do we testify to this word of the Lord?

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DavidLamb said:
How do we bypass the Greek? The New Testament was originally written in Greek (except for a few words of Jesus in Aramaic, like "talitha cumi" and "Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?"). There were translations into Aramaic, such as the Syriac Pershitta. I found a version of the New Testament in English translated from an Aramaic translation, and it has this for John 20:29:
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The New Testament was written in Greek, not Aramaic.
There is no Aramaic New Testament underlying the Greek that we can “recover.”
So when someone says, “Let’s bypass the Greek and hear Jesus in Aramaic,” they are speaking figuratively, not literally.
What we can do is:
identify Semitic idioms behind the Greek
reconstruct likely Aramaic expressions
compare with early Aramaic translations (like the Peshitta)
listen for the Semitic rhythm inside the Greek syntax
But we cannot replace the Greek text with an Aramaic original, because no such original exists.
 
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Godsgood said:
JOHN 20:29
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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When I read John 20:29, I do not hear Jesus making a simple contrast between people who literally saw Him and people who literally did not; I hear Him addressing the deeper spiritual posture behind Thomas’s reaction. Thomas demanded physical verification before yielding, which is why Jesus says, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed”—not to shame him, but to expose the order of his surrender. The blessing that follows is not for people who lack eyesight, but for those who yield to the Father’s call without insisting on physical proof. In the Semitic sense behind the Greek, “seeing” means perceiving or recognizing, and “believing” means yielding or trusting, so Jesus is praising those who surrender before sight rather than after it. This is why Isaiah 55:8–9 fits so perfectly: God’s ways are higher, and His truth is discerned by the heart that yields, not by the mind that demands evidence.
 
DavidLamb said:
I know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic. However, as far as I am aware, none of the gospels, in which we read His words, was originally written in Aramaic, but in Greek. The New Testament was first translated into Aramaic in the 2nd Century.
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This is false you can even find where they helped translate the Epistles to Greek.fact is jesus didnt soeak greek to them it make No sense cus jeaus was funny ans like to. Rhyme and even like our father is like a song .But hey this is Jesus glorified Lord & God that i know so understand the greek was a must so all language can be translated but dint be a stiff Tare that cant bent a a wheat does
 
Dino246 said:
You assume (again!) that my statement is based in emotions. Most of your assumptions about me are wrong, and this follows the pattern.

Unless you hold to limited atonement (and it sounds like you do), you must believe that Jesus died to pay the penalty for ALL human sin, not just that of "those who know the one true God".

2 Peter 3:9 tells us that God is not wanting ANYONE to perish (eternally). You and your deluded little cult don't have a corner on His affection.
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That is not an assumption; it is the truth.

We are Christians who have been enlightened by the word of God. Ever since we learned to humble ourselves before Him, God Himself revealed Himself to us and made it known that we are among those whom you call “special.”

For it was only when we came to know the one true God that it was revealed to us that we had become among those who benefited from the death of the Lord Jesus on the cross.

Back when we had not yet humbled ourselves before God, we did not know the one true God. Even though we read His words and followed their literal meaning, or what seemed obvious according to human understanding, we did not realize that we were not yet among those who benefited from the death of the Lord Jesus.

But now, we are certain that we are among them, because we have come to know the one true God.
 
Godsgood said:
Wouldn’t it be better, instead of interpreting the Lord’s words according to our own understanding, to simply ask Him what He meant?

Didn’t He Himself say these things?
Therefore, He alone has the authority to shed light on the meaning of His words.
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Human understanding of the words of God is merely literal and physical.
However, that is not the truth.
The truth is God’s revelation of the meaning contained in His words, which is rightly called the truth.

Didn’t the Lord God say that we should not rely on our own understanding of His words, but should simply trust Him so that He Himself can reveal the truth in His words to us?
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 
frederickdoc said:
This is false you can even find where they helped translate the Epistles to Greek.fact is jesus didnt soeak greek to them it make No sense cus jeaus was funny ans like to. Rhyme and even like our father is like a song .But hey this is Jesus glorified Lord & God that i know so understand the greek was a must so all language can be translated but dint be a stiff Tare that cant bent a a wheat does
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What is false? That the New Testament was originally written in Greek? But it was. The translators of the 1611 King James Version of the Bible made their translation from the original languages, as the title page states: "The Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments translated out of the original tongues." Their "Preface to the Reader" mentions "Our English versions out of Hebrew and Greek."

Talking of translations, I need a "translation" of some of your post, because it doesn't make sense. What does, " it make No sense cus jeaus was funny ans like to." mean? What about "Rhyme and even like our father is like a song," "so all language can be translated but dint be a stiff," and "Tare that cant bent a a wheat does"?
 
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frederickdoc said:
This is false you can even find where they helped translate the Epistles to Greek.fact is jesus didnt soeak greek to them it make No sense cus jeaus was funny ans like to. Rhyme and even like our father is like a song .But hey this is Jesus glorified Lord & God that i know so understand the greek was a must so all language can be translated but dint be a stiff Tare that cant bent a a wheat does
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Jesus’ everyday speech — the language He used with His disciples, with crowds, and even in moments of deep emotion — was Aramaic, the common language of first‑century Galilee and Judea.

While Aramaic was His main spoken language, He also used:

  • Hebrew — for reading Scripture in synagogue (Luke 4:16) and quoting the Hebrew Bible. Hebrew was the sacred liturgical language.
  • Greek — likely at a conversational level. Greek was the administrative and trade language of the Roman world, and Jesus probably used it when interacting with non‑Jews.
 
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Roger316 said:
Jesus’ everyday speech — the language He used with His disciples, with crowds, and even in moments of deep emotion — was Aramaic, the common language of first‑century Galilee and Judea.

While Aramaic was His main spoken language, He also used:

  • Hebrew — for reading Scripture in synagogue (Luke 4:16) and quoting the Hebrew Bible. Hebrew was the sacred liturgical language.
  • Greek — likely at a conversational level. Greek was the administrative and trade language of the Roman world, and Jesus probably used it when interacting with non‑Jews.
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Hebrew as Priest,
Greek as trade busdiness No doubt .For Gospel There is 4 different writters fir a reason they all were with Jesus and spike like you said native language. Nothing changed The greek was so the Whole World could transkated to their own languages.one that know jesus would want to know the private words to the Disciples, is that so bad that even 3 or The 4 books the writers translated themself or had Help from their person Exact notes of Jesus quotes? Greek Gospel is to get the message out to as many that will receive Him . The Holy Spirit do The More to have a Private with The Lord God Almighty.
The scripture is to recieve sight or to blind, it is written thats the simple wording ! See they still putting Rules for their own control purpose Only .I Cant say Jesus said IF YOU ONLY JUST BELIEVE.inside im i lier but outside it looks good to the Crowd .Trust put my Whole weight on Jesus this is Like Abraham Aman .
 
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Dino246 said:
That's your literal physical human understanding of the matter, and you are wrong.
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We who have come to know the one true God do not force anyone to believe. All we can do is share the truth found in God’s Word. If you believe that what we are saying is wrong, that is your choice, and I respect that.

Anyway, my only purpose is to reach God’s lost sheep. As for those who are not among the lost sheep, I simply leave them to their own beliefs and respect their freedom to believe as they choose.
 
Godsgood said:
Human understanding of the words of God is merely literal and physical.
However, that is not the truth.
The truth is God’s revelation of the meaning contained in His words, which is rightly called the truth.

Didn’t the Lord God say that we should not rely on our own understanding of His words, but should simply trust Him so that He Himself can reveal the truth in His words to us?
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
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JOHN 20:29
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
The understanding that people have regarding what we are discussing is limited to the literal and physical sense. However, what God is saying is not meant to be understood literally or physically, but spiritually.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

That is why, when people understand John 20:29 in a literal, physical sense, as something that is seen with the eyes, the Lord reveals to His chosen ones that what He speaks of is spiritual, something that cannot be seen with the physical eyes.
What is seen by the eyes, or what is understood in the literal physical sense of John 20:29, is only temporary.
But what cannot be seen with the physical eyes is eternal.
Therefore, as one chosen by the Lord, Paul based his understanding of salvation on what is unseen rather than on what is visible to the physical eyes.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
frederickdoc said:
Hebrew as Priest,
Greek as trade busdiness No doubt .For Gospel There is 4 different writters fir a reason they all were with Jesus and spike like you said native language. Nothing changed The greek was so the Whole World could transkated to their own languages.one that know jesus would want to know the private words to the Disciples, is that so bad that even 3 or The 4 books the writers translated themself or had Help from their person Exact notes of Jesus quotes? Greek Gospel is to get the message out to as many that will receive Him . The Holy Spirit do The More to have a Private with The Lord God Almighty.
The scripture is to recieve sight or to blind, it is written thats the simple wording ! See they still putting Rules for their own control purpose Only .I Cant say Jesus said IF YOU ONLY JUST BELIEVE.inside im i lier but outside it looks good to the Crowd .Trust put my Whole weight on Jesus this is Like Abraham Aman .
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Jesus and the Apostles were Bilingual. Conquered peoples were forced to learn the language of the victor.
 
I think the Romans if any forced to learn Greek language .i also go off the Samaritan half bread people they were the Second group called and cus of them we have what we have today
DavidLamb said:
But I don't think I said that Christians today who have not seen Jesus Christ with their physical eyes are more blessed than Thomas, just that being blessed does not depend upon seeing Him physically.
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Jesus was prophesying The blessing As Prophet &High Priest
look at it how he said it.
 
frederickdoc said:
I think the Romans if any forced to learn Greek language .i also go off the Samaritan half bread people they were the Second group called and cus of them we have what we have today

Jesus was prophesying The blessing As Prophet &High Priest
look at it how he said it.
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Have is a key word Jesus could of been talking about people Then Who did Not see Him or else yes a prophecy or both. fact is ,do your Know Him is The better result?
 
Consider the blessing of Jacob in comparison to the blessing of Esau. The first given the dew of heaven and the fatness of the earth, and the second the fatness of the earth and the dew of heaven. Jacob to be served, and Esau to be servant. Those that cursed Jacob would be cursed, and those that blessed Jacob would be blessed.

Now look at what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 4 which Chapter heading is Servants of Christ.

6Brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written. Then you will not take pride in one man over another. 7For who makes you so superior? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

8Already you have all you want. Already you have become rich. Without us, you have become kings. How I wish you really were kings, so that we might be kings with you! 9For it seems to me that God has displayed us apostles at the end of the procession, like prisoners appointed for death. We have become a spectacle to the whole world, to angels as well as to men.

10We are fools for Christ, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are honored, but we are dishonored. 11To this very hour we are hungry and thirsty, we are poorly clothed, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12We work hard with our own hands. When we are vilified, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13when we are slandered, we answer gently. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.
 
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frederickdoc said:
Hebrew as Priest,
Greek as trade busdiness No doubt .For Gospel There is 4 different writters fir a reason they all were with Jesus and spike like you said native language. Nothing changed The greek was so the Whole World could transkated to their own languages.one that know jesus would want to know the private words to the Disciples, is that so bad that even 3 or The 4 books the writers translated themself or had Help from their person Exact notes of Jesus quotes? Greek Gospel is to get the message out to as many that will receive Him . The Holy Spirit do The More to have a Private with The Lord God Almighty.
The scripture is to recieve sight or to blind, it is written thats the simple wording ! See they still putting Rules for their own control purpose Only .I Cant say Jesus said IF YOU ONLY JUST BELIEVE.inside im i lier but outside it looks good to the Crowd .Trust put my Whole weight on Jesus this is Like Abraham Aman .
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I enjoy you understanding
R 316
 
DavidLamb said:
What is false? That the New Testament was originally written in Greek? But it was. The translators of the 1611 King James Version of the Bible made their translation from the original languages, as the title page states: "The Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments translated out of the original tongues." Their "Preface to the Reader" mentions "Our English versions out of Hebrew and Greek."

Talking of translations, I need a "translation" of some of your post, because it doesn't make sense. What does, " it make No sense cus jeaus was funny ans like to." mean? What about "Rhyme and even like our father is like a song," "so all language can be translated but dint be a stiff," and "Tare that cant bent a a wheat does"?
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Take my post copy and Paste in your search browser. i told you this before or some David..i see 3 id now!
Oh Yeah Tares weeds Don't Bend yet they Grow with the wheat that Can Bend . I prob said this insted of Stiff Neck? That tares do look like Wheat at stages ,incase u didnt know they also choke the Word of The Holy Spirit
 
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