The chosen ones.
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There is a spirit in the world, that when you are favored by God at all, Jesus said, " if you were of the world, the world would love it's own.
But you are not of the world, because I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."
All Joseph had to do is show up, and his brothers hated him.
We as gentiles are grafted into the trunk of faith that flows out of Abraham's lineage.
We become the recipients of all of Gods promises..... 2 Cor.1:20
The starting point for the hidden ones, is to position themselves correctly, is helplessness in the natural......
The Father treats us like we are just like Christ. And He gives us eternal life, the presence of His Son, our inheritance, seated with Him in heavenly places, every time we engage Faithing action, a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.
Ezekiel 44, is the vision of the prophesied restored temple of worship. I think this temple is to be the temples of the Holy Spirit that we become in Christ.
Faith, the surrendered life, obtains the deposit of Gods life in us.
Hebrews 6:6...... Paraclete means "comforter", or one alongside another.
Spirituality is God being Himself, through us.
That's a misrepresentation. Joseph was indeed called for a special purpose, but his brothers didn't hate him because of some "spirit" or just because he showed up. Rather, as Genesis 37:4 states, he was hated because his father loved Joseph more than he loved any of the others. He was hated more because of the dreams he shared (37:5, 9), which put him over first his brothers and then also his parents.
Psalms 84: 5-7, the promise of God has conditions attached. Blessed is "Thee" man, whose strength is in "Thee".
This is a specific man , plucked out from a crowd, and whos heart is on a pilgrimage.
Nothing in the psalm suggests those "blessed" have been specially selected or "plucked out from a crowd" as you say.
Rather, it implies that their own actions are the cause of blessing.
I think you should back up to Ezekiel chapter 40 and read it clear through to chapter 48. They describe the prophesied temple in great detail including measurements that are unlike the 1st or 2nd temple.
Here's a start. Ezekiel 40:4-9
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.
5 And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man's hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.
6 Then came he unto the gate which looketh toward the east, and went up the stairs thereof, and measured the threshold of the gate, which was one reed broad; and the other threshold of the gate, which was one reed broad.
7 And every little chamber was one reed long, and one reed broad; and between the little chambers were five cubits; and the threshold of the gate by the porch of the gate within was one reed.
8 He measured also the porch of the gate within, one reed.
9 Then measured he the porch of the gate, eight cubits; and the posts thereof, two cubits; and the porch of the gate was inward.
I am almost afraid to post this , almost , Ezekiel 40–48 describes a conditional, never‑built restoration temple that God told Ezekiel to show Israel only if they were ashamed and repentant (Ezek 43:11), and because Israel did not meet that condition, the blueprint was never activated, never revealed to the nation, and never intended to be constructed; the vision functions as an idealized picture of restored worship that would have come had Israel returned to God, but since they did not, the entire plan remains unbuilt and is superseded by the New Covenant reality and ultimately the New Jerusalem, which fulfills the themes without matching the dimensions, rituals, or priesthood of Ezekiel’s vision.
I'll repeat what I was saying to someone else in one of our other discussions. NOTHING in the Bible is conditional once it is WRITTEN, which is why Jesus said:
Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
I have a hard time following your posts because you speak as though you don't believe in Jesus' earthly Millennial Kingdom period before the New Jerusalem, but then you also tell me that you do believe in it, so you end up coming across as contradictory. The Bible already told you that there would kings, priests, and judges in God/Jesus' Millennial Kingdom in Revelation 20 and other OT prophetic books. You've never been able to explain this contradiction that you have to me.
Ezekiel 40–48 is conditional because God Himself makes it conditional in Ezekiel 43:11, where He tells Ezekiel to show the plans only if Israel is ashamed and repentant—meaning the blueprint was not a decree but a contingent offer, and the condition was never met; your claim that “nothing in the Bible is conditional once written” misunderstands the difference between a conditional prophecy recorded in Scripture and an unconditional prophecy guaranteed by God—Scripture contains both, and Jesus’ statement in Luke 24:44 refers to the unconditional, Christ‑centered prophecies that must be fulfilled, not to every conditional oracle ever spoken. Ezekiel’s temple is not a millennial structure because its priesthood, sacrifices, land divisions, and ritual system contradict the New Covenant and the once‑for‑all sacrifice of Christ, and Revelation 20 never mentions a temple, priests offering sacrifices, or Ezekiel’s measurements; the kings, priests, and judges of the Millennium are resurrected saints reigning with Christ, not Levitical priests performing Ezekiel’s rituals. There is no contradiction in my view: I affirm the earthly millennial reign of Christ, but Ezekiel’s temple is not part of it—it was a conditional restoration model that Israel forfeited, and the New Jerusalem supersedes it.
The reason that you consider it "conditional" is because you're not taking the Bible in context as a WHOLE. You should do some research on how the "condition" WILL BE MET at a future time when God/Jesus turns back to the Jews after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in like Revelation 11:25 says.
This belief is primarily rooted in Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:1, which describes a future outpouring of a "spirit of grace" causing Israel to mourn for the one they pierced, and Romans 11:25-27, where the Apostle Paul speaks of "all Israel" being saved after a partial hardening.
Additional biblical support includes:
- Matthew 23:39: Jesus states the Jewish people will not see him again until they say, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord," implying a future acceptance upon his return.
- Acts 3:19-21: Peter links the "times of refreshing" and the sending of Jesus Christ to the repentance of the people.
- Hosea 6:2: Prophesies that Israel will revive and live in His sight "on the third day," often interpreted as a future restoration.
The future repentance of Israel in Zechariah 12–13, Romans 11:25–27, Matthew 23:39, Acts 3:19–21, and Hosea 6:2 is absolutely real and absolutely certain, but that repentance does not retroactively convert Ezekiel 40–48 from a conditional restoration blueprint into an unconditional millennial construction project, because Ezekiel 43:11 explicitly ties the showing and observing of that temple’s statutes to Israel’s repentance in Ezekiel’s own generation, and the New Covenant makes the Levitical sacrifices, priesthood, and ritual system of Ezekiel’s temple theologically obsolete; so yes, Israel will repent, yes, “all Israel will be saved,” yes, they will welcome Christ at His return—but the fulfillment of those promises is New Covenant salvation in Christ, not the re‑institution of a Mosaic‑style temple, which is why Revelation 20’s millennial kingdom has resurrected saints serving as kings and priests, not Levitical priests offering Ezekiel’s sacrifices, and why the ultimate temple is the Father and the Lamb in the New Jerusalem, not Ezekiel’s architectural plan.
The Sacrifices Are Commemorative, Not Atonement
Scripture teaches that animal blood cannot actually remove sin; it only provides a temporary, symbolic covering. Therefore, future sacrifices in a Millennial Temple would not contradict Hebrews because they do not claim to add to or repeat the atoning work of Jesus.- Hebrews 10:4 states, "It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." This confirms that Old Testament sacrifices were never efficacious for true forgiveness; they were pointers to the future Messiah.
- Hebrews 10:1-3 explains that these rituals were "a shadow of the good things to come" and served as "a reminder of sins year after year."
- In a future kingdom context, these rituals would function similarly: they are picture-lessons and reminders to the people of their Messiah's saving work, rather than means to achieve it (Isaiah 56:7; Ezekiel 43:27).
The New Covenant Fulfills, Not Erases, the Old
The restoration of temple worship in prophecy (such as in Ezekiel 40-48) is interpreted by some theologians as the fulfillment of the Old Covenant's pedagogical purpose. The "Law" was a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ (Galatians 3:24); once Christ is physically present, the rituals serve as a tangible way for unglorified humans to worship a holy God in a renewed earth, acknowledging their continued need for the Lamb of God (John 1:29).- Jesus' Fulfillment: Jesus stated He came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17). This fulfillment means the rituals reached their intended goal in Him.
- Hebrews 9:23 notes that even the heavenly realities needed to be purified with better sacrifices than these, implying a continuity of worship order even if the atoning power is singular.
- The future temple is not a return to the Old Covenant of works, but a Millennial Kingdom practice where the Levitical priesthood (abolished in the New Covenant) may serve a ceremonial, commemorative role under the superior priesthood of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7; Zechariah 14:20-21).
The “commemorative‑sacrifice” argument collapses because it assumes Ezekiel’s system is optional symbolism, but Ezekiel 40–48 describes atoning, sin‑removing, purifying, blood‑dependent rituals performed by a restored Levitical priesthood, which Hebrews explicitly says has been abolished and can never return; Ezekiel’s sacrifices “make atonement for the altar” (43:20), “make atonement for the house” (45:20), and “purge the people” (45:15)—none of which can be reinterpreted as mere memorials without rewriting the text.
The conditionality of Ezekiel 43:11 stands: God tells Ezekiel to show the blueprint only if Israel repents, meaning the vision is a contingent restoration model, not an unconditional decree; your appeal to Luke 24:44 misfires because Jesus refers to Messianic prophecies that must be fulfilled, not every conditional oracle ever spoken.
The New Covenant does not “permit” a revived Levitical order under Melchizedek—Hebrews 7 says the change of priesthood requires the annulment of the former commandment, and Hebrews 10 says Christ’s once‑for‑all sacrifice ends the sacrificial system, not reassigns it a commemorative role.
Revelation’s millennial kingdom contains no temple, no priests, no sacrifices, and no Ezekiel‑style land allotments; the only temple in Revelation is God Himself in the New Jerusalem.
Thus the contradiction is not in my position but in yours: Ezekiel’s temple demands atoning sacrifices and Levitical mediation, the New Covenant forbids both, and the Millennium described in Revelation contains neither—therefore Ezekiel’s temple is a conditional, forfeited restoration vision, not a millennial structure.
What are you talking about?
Salvation is conditional!
The condition that needs to be met is " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender ", every day.
If that condition isn't met, no spirit of Christ, no mind of Christ.
I just returned from a household gathering where "Showing the house to the house" was a central theme. The standard of the house of God is Christ Jesus, the pattern Son, a life-giving Spirit empowered to bring many sons and daughters to glory.
So, it must be a structure that is built on earth before the return of Jesus and sometime around the Tribulation period because Revelation 11:1-2 mentions it again and then goes on to talk about events that will happen during the Great Tribulation and shows the return of Christ (Revelation 11:15).
Salvation is conditional, but God/Jesus' covenants and promises to Israel and the remnant that He saves in Zechariah 13:8-9 are not.