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Been doing some reading lately on christian doctrine and I keep running in to people saying it's normal to sin daily and it's not possible to stop living in sin. It's like they are saying there's no hope to be free from living in sin and they have just accepted that this is normal.

What sects are teaching this exactly, does anybody know?
 
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Been doing some reading lately on christian doctrine and I keep running in to people saying it's normal to sin daily and it's not possible to stop living in sin. It's like they are saying there's no hope to be free from living in sin and they have just accepted that this is normal.

What sects are teaching this exactly, does anybody know?
The short answer is that the “daily‑sin‑is‑normal” idea doesn’t come from Scripture but from certain theological traditions, not from the apostles and certainly not from Christ.
It’s mainly taught in circles shaped by Reformed theology (with its emphasis on total depravity and ongoing indwelling sin), Lutheranism (and the “simul justus et peccator” concept), and modern Evangelical churches influenced by these systems.
These groups tend to treat sin as an unavoidable lifelong condition rather than something Christ actually frees believers from.
But Scripture never normalizes daily sin, excuses bondage, or suggests the Spirit is too weak to produce holiness.
The apostles speak of deliverance (“sin shall not have dominion over you,” Rom 6:14), transformation (“whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin,” 1 John 3:9), and freedom (“being then made free from sin,” Rom 6:18).
The idea that Christians must sin every day is not a biblical teaching but a tradition that developed from inherited systems—systems that interpret Romans 7 as the standard Christian experience, reduce sanctification to constant failure, and redefine grace as God tolerating sin instead of conquering it.
 
It is possible to walk in the Spirit and be perfect in the Lord Jesus Christ.

(KJV Romans 8:1) "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

(KJV Galatians 5:16) "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

(KJV Galatians 5:25) "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

(KJV Matthew 5:48) "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

(KJV 1 John 2:1-2) "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

(KJV 1 John 2:2-2:6) "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

(KJV 1 John 2:7-8) "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth."

(KJV 1 John 2:9-12) "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, becausethat darkness hath blinded his eyes. I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake."

(KJV 1 John 2:13-14) "I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."
 
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Been doing some reading lately on christian doctrine and I keep running in to people saying it's normal to sin daily and it's not possible to stop living in sin. It's like they are saying there's no hope to be free from living in sin and they have just accepted that this is normal.

What sects are teaching this exactly, does anybody know?
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, and allows the Spirit to lead them they will not sin but act like Christ who was led of the Spirit.

And God will give them an escape from temptation so they are not bothered to do it.

So there is no excuse.

And if the power is available to overcome the flesh then it is required of us.

For God is not going to say I gave you the power so you can abstain from sin but go ahead and sin if you want for He hates sin.

And how can you have true repentance which is turning away from sin if you can't abstain from sin.

The Spirit will only lead people who hate sin, and does not want sin.

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

1Co 13:5 thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.

Charity, love in action, is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

So no love then no faith.

Which charity does not think an evil thought and does not rejoice in iniquity but rejoices in the truth.

So people who sin intentionally and do not give up sin does not abide in love so they do not have saving faith.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Some people deny the Spirit leading them because they will not let go of the flesh, and love sin more than God, and do not come to the truth of the requirement to act Christlike to have a relationship with God.

They say they cannot abstain from sin which means they are holding on to sin which the blood of Christ cannot wash away their sins.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

If a person that does accept the truth and allows the Spirit to lead them if they go back to sinning holding on to sin they will be cut off like the Hebrews that were disobedient.

Those that deny the power thereof and love sin more than God are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They were not saved in the first place.

Which some preachers preach that they cannot abstain from sin which those that took heed to them were not saved.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

God wants all people to be saved and none perish but they want to believe God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice.

But many are called but few are chosen which God does the calling and choosing on earth so we have a choice.

The reason that they were not chosen is because they never measured up to being Christlike falling short.

If God chooses in the beginning then why is God calling people but not choosing them.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation.

God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Predestination means God already had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world but this salvation is to whoever wants it for He wants all people to be saved.

But they do not understand that.

Those that say they cannot abstain from sin are led of the flesh and not the Spirit.
 
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, and allows the Spirit to lead them they will not sin but act like Christ who was led of the Spirit.

And God will give them an escape from temptation so they are not bothered to do it.

So there is no excuse.

And if the power is available to overcome the flesh then it is required of us.

For God is not going to say I gave you the power so you can abstain from sin but go ahead and sin if you want for He hates sin.

And how can you have true repentance which is turning away from sin if you can't abstain from sin.

The Spirit will only lead people who hate sin, and does not want sin.

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

1Co 13:5 thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.

Charity, love in action, is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

So no love then no faith.

Which charity does not think an evil thought and does not rejoice in iniquity but rejoices in the truth.

So people who sin intentionally and do not give up sin does not abide in love so they do not have saving faith.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Some people deny the Spirit leading them because they will not let go of the flesh, and love sin more than God, and do not come to the truth of the requirement to act Christlike to have a relationship with God.

They say they cannot abstain from sin which means they are holding on to sin which the blood of Christ cannot wash away their sins.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

If a person that does accept the truth and allows the Spirit to lead them if they go back to sinning holding on to sin they will be cut off like the Hebrews that were disobedient.

Those that deny the power thereof and love sin more than God are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They were not saved in the first place.

Which some preachers preach that they cannot abstain from sin which those that took heed to them were not saved.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

God wants all people to be saved and none perish but they want to believe God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice.

But many are called but few are chosen which God does the calling and choosing on earth so we have a choice.

The reason that they were not chosen is because they never measured up to being Christlike falling short.

If God chooses in the beginning then why is God calling people but not choosing them.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation.

God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Predestination means God already had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world but this salvation is to whoever wants it for He wants all people to be saved.

But they do not understand that.

Those that say they cannot abstain from sin are led of the flesh and not the Spirit.
Do you ever walk according to the flesh?

How often do you do so?
 
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Been doing some reading lately on christian doctrine and I keep running in to people saying it's normal to sin daily and it's not possible to stop living in sin. It's like they are saying there's no hope to be free from living in sin and they have just accepted that this is normal.

What sects are teaching this exactly, does anybody know?
I won't be labeling all the false churches, but will say that they are in error if they are condoning or acting in a manner that deny's Christ's victory over sin.

And, welcome to the site !
 
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It is possible to walk in the Spirit and be perfect in the Lord Jesus Christ.

(KJV Romans 8:1) "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

(KJV Galatians 5:16) "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

(KJV Galatians 5:25) "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

(KJV Matthew 5:48) "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

(KJV 1 John 2:1-2) "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

(KJV 1 John 2:2-2:6) "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

(KJV 1 John 2:7-8) "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth."

(KJV 1 John 2:9-12) "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, becausethat darkness hath blinded his eyes. I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake."

(KJV 1 John 2:13-14) "I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."
Amen to that !!!
 
@stephencritchlow,

First,welcome to the community.

In this faith you will meet all kinds of believers.

Many say they read the Bible. Then,they put their own touches onto how they accept what it teaches.

Jesus tells us,those who are born of God,which means we were reborn in Jesus after having been separated from God due to our human fallen,sinful,sin-full, nature,do not make a habit of Sinning.


Which is what it means to be a born again Christian. Behold the old has fallen away,the new (nature) has come. That's the Christ like nature.

We are told we are born again believers,those in Christ,and Jesus,God the holy Spirit is residing in us. We are sealed eternally with his promise of eternal irrevocable Salvation.


We do not do what those people you were talking with said we can do. Sin daily. Because that is Sinning wilfully. Sinning ,going what God says is unrighteous.


If,when,we do that we are showing we are not Saved in Christ.It shows we never knew him when we take satisfaction in doing the wrong things.

After you are redeemed of your Sins through God's forgiveness,you are no longer dead in those Sins.

Dead meaning you were separated from God because your human fallen,carnal nature,was enmeshed with the ways of this material,carnal,
hedonistic,selfish world. Unable to understand the things of God.

You are reborn and alive in Christ.And he is alive within you.

But now,being born again,you do understand the things of God. You know what it means to Sin, aka , violate the rules of righteousness.
And yes,this means you are not condemned for mistakes made in the flesh now,Sins,because the blood of Jesus has paid the price for that.


It also means just because he pays doesn't mean you are not going to stumble and make mistakes. Sin.

But that you realize your mistake,the error of your ways,and repent of them, means you do understand the difference. Between living righteously and living in debauchery.

Because before coming into Christ you wouldn't have known what it was to offend God with your behavior. Self was god.

Do what you want with just mans laws to contend with.


So now,as one born again alive in Christ,you are no longer a Sinner who Sins.
You are a Saint in the forgiving grace of Almighty God.

In short,don't make a habit of doing the wrong things. When you realize you have gone the wrong thing,repent,ask forgiveness and that God show you the lesson that should provide you on your journey in this life.

Fear not. You are sealed,guaranteed,
Salvation after this life and shall be with God for eternity. And no one can change this. No one can take you from the hand of Jesus.

(Hug) Welcome home.🕯️🧡🙏
 
Been doing some reading lately on christian doctrine and I keep running in to people saying it's normal to sin daily and it's not possible to stop living in sin. It's like they are saying there's no hope to be free from living in sin and they have just accepted that this is normal.

What sects are teaching this exactly, does anybody know?

Sin Daily sounds like the name of a Marxist newspaper in NYC.
 
The short answer is that the “daily‑sin‑is‑normal” idea doesn’t come from Scripture but from certain theological traditions, not from the apostles and certainly not from Christ.
It’s mainly taught in circles shaped by Reformed theology (with its emphasis on total depravity and ongoing indwelling sin), Lutheranism (and the “simul justus et peccator” concept), and modern Evangelical churches influenced by these systems.
These groups tend to treat sin as an unavoidable lifelong condition rather than something Christ actually frees believers from.
But Scripture never normalizes daily sin, excuses bondage, or suggests the Spirit is too weak to produce holiness.
The apostles speak of deliverance (“sin shall not have dominion over you,” Rom 6:14), transformation (“whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin,” 1 John 3:9), and freedom (“being then made free from sin,” Rom 6:18).
The idea that Christians must sin every day is not a biblical teaching but a tradition that developed from inherited systems—systems that interpret Romans 7 as the standard Christian experience, reduce sanctification to constant failure, and redefine grace as God tolerating sin instead of conquering it.

That saints sin or do not attain moral perfection in this life comes from Phil. 3:12-15 and 1John 1:8-10.
 
Lutheranism (and the “simul justus et peccator” concept), and modern Evangelical churches influenced by these systems.
Currently visiting a non-ELCA Lutheran assembly, which the latter should be added to the op list. As for the remaining Lutherans, the results are out there for who is and who is not conservatively steadfast in the word. But, I suspect all abide by your "simultaneously righteous and a sinner" citation. As usual, the fruits are what we know them by and yes, the report isn't all that rosey, Mine? Tolerable. it's all in a people's preference to abuse the spirit of the message IF, we are to compare them to that scriptural standard of preference if "anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous", for "we all stumble in many ways" (1Jn 2:1, Jms 3:2). Is it not one of the biggest carnal cherry-pickings for us today?
 
I never sin, as my repentance from sin was real; and the gift of the Holy Ghost actually helps keep me free from sin.
That's the difference right there. Between those who read the Bible. And those who know what God says in his own words.

Welcome to the community. Stay strong
You'll meet many adversaries here if you know what you're talking about as a Christian.
 
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