Your entire “conditional security” manifesto is just you dumping every warning passage into a blender and calling the puree “proof Christians lose salvation,” but you never bother to distinguish between warning_texts and salvation_texts, between exhortations to persevere and statements about what Christ actually accomplishes, or between professing disciples and regenerate believers; Hebrews 10 doesn’t say “the perfected forever can become un‑perfected,” it says the ones sanctified by Christ’s offering are perfected forever, and the warnings are God’s means of keeping them from apostasy, not proof they can fall out of justification.
Your parade of “examples” (Saul, Solomon, Demas, Judas) collapses instantly because none of them are described as regenerate in the first place, and your appeal to John 6:66 is just you treating “disciples” as “born‑again believers,” which John explicitly does not.
Every text you cite — Hebrews 3, Hebrews 6, 2 Peter 2, Revelation 2–3 — is about the danger of false_profession, not the fragility of Christ’s atonement; the warnings expose the counterfeit and preserve the genuine.
And your KJV‑only proof‑texting doesn’t rescue your system — Paul says salvation is by grace, kept by Christ, secured by His intercession, and evidenced by perseverance, not maintained by human performance.
You’re not defending conditional security; you’re defending a theology where Christ saves you until you sin wrong, and the author of Hebrews would like a word with you about how the once‑for‑all sacrifice actually works.
Saul, Solomon, Demas, and Judas are all examples that demonstrate how believers can fall away from the faith.
The Spirit of God came upon Saul and he prophesied.
(KJV 1 Samuel 10:10) “And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.”
Saul turned back from following God. This indicates that Saul was with God before that point.
(KJV 1 Samuel 15:11) “It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.”
God departed from Saul and he became an enemy of God.
(KJV 1 Samuel 16:14) “But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.”
(KJV 1 Samuel 28:15-16) “And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?”
Saul once followed God. (1 Samuel 15:11) He turned away and became an enemy of God. He committed suicide and fell away from the faith.
(KJV 1 Samuel 31:4) “Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.”
Solomon was given a wise and understanding heart by God.
(KJV 1 Kings 3:12) “Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.”
At one point, God was Solomon’s father and Solomon was God’s son.
(1 Chronicles 22:10) “He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.”
Solomon was warned that God would reject him if he forsook God.
(KJV 1 Chronicles 28:9) “And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.”
Solomon’s heart turned away from the LORD God of Israel to idolatry. Solomon turned his back on God, and the Lord was faithful to his warning and rejected him forever.
(KJV 1 Kings 11:9-10) “And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.”
Solomon tried to murder Jeroboam. (1 Kings 11:40) Solomon sought therefore to kill Jeroboam. And Jeroboam arose, and fled into Egypt, unto Shishak king of Egypt, and was in Egypt until the death of Solomon.”
No murderer has eternal life. (1 John 3:15) Unrepentant idolaters and murderers perish in the lake of fire according to Rev. 21:8.
Demas was a companion of Paul. He is described as having forsook Paul. He loved this world which caused him to leave Paul.
(KJV 2 Timothy 4:10) “For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescent to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.”
One is not saved when he doesn’t love the Father. (James 2:5)
(KJV 1 John 2:15) “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”
(KJV James 4:4) “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”
Demas became an enemy of God because of his love of the world. The example of Demas shows that a Christian can come to love the world and demonstrate he has fallen away from the faith.
Judas was at one point in time both a disciple and an apostle of the Lord. (Matthew 10:1-4) Judas was commanded to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, and cast out devils. (Matthew 10:8)
A disciple is a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV 14:26-27) “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”
(KJV Matthew 12:49) “And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
Judas met all the conditions of commitment to Christ, just as much as the other disciples. Judas fell from the ministry and apostleship because of his transgression.
(KJV Acts 1:25) “That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Jesus gave eternal life to all the Father gave him. Judas is included in this group of recipients, as John 17:12 shows. Judas had eternal life like the other apostles at one point in time.
(KJV John 17:2) “As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Psalm 41:9 states that Judas was Jesus’ friend.
(KJV Psalm 41:9) “Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.”
Judas became lost as the scripture says.
(KJV John 17:12) “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
Judas betrayed the Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV Matthew 26:15) “And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.”
Judas hung himself and fell away from the faith.
(KJV Matthew 27:5) “And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.”
(KJV Mark 14:21) "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.”
The disciples of John 6:66 were followers of the Lord Jesus Christ before they went back, and walked no more with the Lord.
(KJV Luke 14:26) “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
(KJV Luke 14:27) “And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”
(KJV Luke 14:33) “So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."
(KJV Acts 11:26) “And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
I believe that a Christian should live soberly, righteously, and godly according to what the grace of God teaches.
(KJV Titus 2:11-12) “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
(KJV Romans 5:21) “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.”
(KJV Romans 6:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
