Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[JimiSurvivor]

Hebrews 10:33-34 has nothing to do with Hebrews 6

Your problem here is that you have assumed Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are about two separate groups of people - not on the basis of context clues - but on the basis of a set of theological presuppositions you have already assumed to be true. When you encounter someone like me who does not hold those beliefs you are at a loss to explain how such ideas can be derived from the passage because, in fact, it cannot be.

One of the main reasons Hebrews was written was to reiterate the great truths about Christ, His work of redemption, His unique standing before God as the Son, the sacrificial Lamb of God and His intercessory High Priesthood. The second purpose of the Book is obviously to WARN believers of the dangers of not continuing in the FAITH. The book follows this design (of TEACHING and WARNING) in both Hebrews 6 as well as Hebrews 10. Thus, it is not at all true that one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. I personally see the book as one whole coherent work written to a particular group of believers who had a common Jewish heritage, who probably lived in the Holy Land.

Because I accept the idea that these people were believers I acknowledge both the revelations about Christ as well as the warnings contained in the book. Because of this, I do not have to subdivide chapters and assign them to various subgroups of believers TRUE and FALSE believers which the author never mentions. To me the readers and the content of this writing are one.

Since your presuppositions will not allow you accept the WARNING aspect of the Book of Hebrews since you believe salvation, one received, is unconditionally maintained you have to find a way to negate that aspect of the book altogether saying he must have been talking to some other subset of unsaved people rather than TRUE believers. However, since the author neither DIRECTLY and EXPLICITLY refers to one group and then another your interpretation seems to be drawn NOT from the book itself but rather from sources OUTSIDE the book and I think we both know who those sources are.

I am sure that is the way it seems to you having been steeped in the teachings of Jacob Arminius, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn etc. Men who had adopted many of the "saved by self" beliefs that were popular at the time. However, to see what is true we must keep focused not on them but on the written word.

Here you show your willingness to engage in slander and false accusations in order to present the appearance of defending your position. Apparently, the truth or falseness of what you say is not important at all so long as you appear to be making a defense.

Notice the author of Hebrews makes it clear that the people in Chapter 3 are not the same as those described in chapter 6, as these don't exist, they are hypothetical cyborgs.

Where does the author of Hebrews make it clear that he is talking to a different groups in chapters 3 and 6?
You have assumed this only because of a presupposition you have imported into the word. The real test always must be can this proposition be proven using the text. Is it a common practice in the Bible that when people are given warnings by an inspired spokesman that the speaker uses as his examples, people who do not exist and could not exist?

You need to learn the difference between an "exhortation" and a "warning". I don't have time to educate you right now, so you'll need to ask Dr. Google or someone else.

Once again you attempt to take the mantle of a teacher who assumes they have vastly superior knowledge to common Christians, to the point that they must always be the one educating others. When questioned, such people imply that they either do not have the time to explain or that others would not understand them it if they did.

Sufficed to say there's no such thing as true believers who fall away, that is a lie.

No it is not sufficient to state what you believe. The Bible says we must be willing to prove our beliefs using rational well-reasoned answers:
15 But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a (well reasoned) defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you. But respond with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who slander you may be put to shame by your good behavior in Christ.…
(1 Peter 3:15-16)

 

[TheLordIsMyRedeemer]

You still fail to understand that it's not past murderers and adulterers that are forgiven, it's current ones as well. Because the Lord Jesus paid for all the past, present and future sins of Gods elect.

The Bible doctrine of eternal security, clearly states that no amount of sin can cause one of us to lose our salvation. You may not like or agree with this truth, but that doesn't change anything. The truth remains forever, your opinions have no baring on Gods decrees.

David was already saved, (a born again Christian) when he committed adultery and murder. These sins weren't comitted before he became a Christian. So you may need to re-evaluate your theology.

Current murderers and adulterers can become God’s people if they repent. David admitted his sin before Nathan. God forgave David because he trusted in the grace of God. (2 Samuel 12:13, Ephesians 2:8-9).

(KJV 1 John 1:9) “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Wicked murderers and adulterers are not God’s people and they will perish. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8)

The Bible teaches conditional security. Many of the promises of God are conditional. It is possible for a Christian to fall away, as the scriptures demonstrate. Eternal security is a false doctrine.

Hebrews 10:10 describes these believers as being sanctified through the Lord Jesus Christ.

(KJV Hebrews 10:10) “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

The sanctified believers are described as being “perfected forever.” (Hebrews 10:14) They could have “full assurance of faith” through Jesus their High Priest according to Hebrews 10:22.

(KJV Hebrews 10:23) “Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)” We are instructed to “hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering.” This implies it was possible for them to let go of their profession of faith.

(KJV Hebrews 10:26-27) “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” This implies that it was possible for these believers to return to willful sin and be subject to damnation.

Hebrews 3:12 warns of the peril of unbelief. (KJV Hebrews 3:12) “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.”

(KJV Hebrews 3:14) “For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;” We are made partakers of Christ if we hold our original confidence firm to the end. This is a condition Christians must meet.

Saul (1 Samuel 10:10-12, 1 Samuel 28:16, 1 Samuel 31:4) Solomon, (1 Kings 11:4-10) Demas (2 Timothy 4:10) and Judas (Acts 1:25) are examples of believers who fell away from the faith.

The book of John speaks of disciples that fell away from the faith. (KJV John 6:66) "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

Jesus speaks about the conditional security of the believer in the book of Matthew. (KJV Matthew 6:14-15) "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." God will forgive the believer who has forgiven others. However, God will not forgive those who refuse to forgive others.

Other scriptures that show conditional security include Luke 12:45-46, John 15:2-6, 2 John 1:9, Romans 11:21-22, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 1 Corinthians 10:12, 1Corinthians 15:2, Colossians 1:23, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 1 Timothy 3:6-7, 1 Timothy 4:1, 1 Timothy 5:12,, 1 Timothy 5:15, Hebrews 3:12-14, Hebrews 6:4-6, Hebrews 12:15-17, James 5:19-20, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Revelation 2:5, Revelation 3:16, Revelation 22:19.

 

[OMC]

Current murderers and adulterers can become God’s people if they repent. David admitted his sin before Nathan. God forgave David because he trusted in the grace of God. (2 Samuel 12:13, Ephesians 2:8-9).

(KJV 1 John 1:9) “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Wicked murderers and adulterers are not God’s people and they will perish. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8)

The Bible teaches conditional security. Many of the promises of God are conditional. It is possible for a Christian to fall away, as the scriptures demonstrate. Eternal security is a false doctrine.

Hebrews 10:10 describes these believers as being sanctified through the Lord Jesus Christ.

(KJV Hebrews 10:10) “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

The sanctified believers are described as being “perfected forever.” (Hebrews 10:14) They could have “full assurance of faith” through Jesus their High Priest according to Hebrews 10:22.

(KJV Hebrews 10:23) “Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)” We are instructed to “hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering.” This implies it was possible for them to let go of their profession of faith.

(KJV Hebrews 10:26-27) “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” This implies that it was possible for these believers to return to willful sin and be subject to damnation.

Hebrews 3:12 warns of the peril of unbelief. (KJV Hebrews 3:12) “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.”

(KJV Hebrews 3:14) “For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;” We are made partakers of Christ if we hold our original confidence firm to the end. This is a condition Christians must meet.

Saul (1 Samuel 10:10-12, 1 Samuel 28:16, 1 Samuel 31:4) Solomon, (1 Kings 11:4-10) Demas (2 Timothy 4:10) and Judas (Acts 1:25) are examples of believers who fell away from the faith.

The book of John speaks of disciples that fell away from the faith. (KJV John 6:66) "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

Jesus speaks about the conditional security of the believer in the book of Matthew. (KJV Matthew 6:14-15) "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." God will forgive the believer who has forgiven others. However, God will not forgive those who refuse to forgive others.

Other scriptures that show conditional security include Luke 12:45-46, John 15:2-6, 2 John 1:9, Romans 11:21-22, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 1 Corinthians 10:12, 1Corinthians 15:2, Colossians 1:23, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 1 Timothy 3:6-7, 1 Timothy 4:1, 1 Timothy 5:12,, 1 Timothy 5:15, Hebrews 3:12-14, Hebrews 6:4-6, Hebrews 12:15-17, James 5:19-20, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Revelation 2:5, Revelation 3:16, Revelation 22:19.

Your entire “conditional security” manifesto is just you dumping every warning passage into a blender and calling the puree “proof Christians lose salvation,” but you never bother to distinguish between warning_texts and salvation_texts, between exhortations to persevere and statements about what Christ actually accomplishes, or between professing disciples and regenerate believers; Hebrews 10 doesn’t say “the perfected forever can become un‑perfected,” it says the ones sanctified by Christ’s offering are perfected forever, and the warnings are God’s means of keeping them from apostasy, not proof they can fall out of justification.
Your parade of “examples” (Saul, Solomon, Demas, Judas) collapses instantly because none of them are described as regenerate in the first place, and your appeal to John 6:66 is just you treating “disciples” as “born‑again believers,” which John explicitly does not.
Every text you cite — Hebrews 3, Hebrews 6, 2 Peter 2, Revelation 2–3 — is about the danger of false_profession, not the fragility of Christ’s atonement; the warnings expose the counterfeit and preserve the genuine.
And your KJV‑only proof‑texting doesn’t rescue your system — Paul says salvation is by grace, kept by Christ, secured by His intercession, and evidenced by perseverance, not maintained by human performance.
You’re not defending conditional security; you’re defending a theology where Christ saves you until you sin wrong, and the author of Hebrews would like a word with you about how the once‑for‑all sacrifice actually works.