Do you believe the Lord was so impressed with these people that He rewarded them with Heaven?
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Do you believe the Lord was so impressed with these people that He rewarded them with Heaven?
Yeah, that's what it says, but it does not say they went to hell for it.
You can assume all you wish but i wont assume anything unless the text specifically says it.
Thank you all for the replies to my post. This was posted because someone who has something in their lifestyle that the bible says is sinful but society says is not wanted to hear what other christians thought on whether someone can live in sin and still be saved.
Regrettably some of the replies appear to indicate that there's no way a chrsitian wouldn't go to heaven if they keep living in sin so this person continues to think their sinful lifestyle is a non-issue.
Regrettably some of the replies appear to indicate that there's no way a chrsitian wouldn't go to heaven if they keep living in sin so this person continues to think their sinful lifestyle is a non-issue.
Then in that case I agree, they went to the grave (hell)
But as far as the place of torment? That is not given to us in scripture.
A stupid believer can live in sin and be saved from the Lake of Fire after he dies.
For there was not one sin that Jesus did not pay the penalty for.
But in his lifetime he will not be saved from pain and misery.
God will have these morons to enter into a miserable life, and then into a painful death.
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask,
and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin
unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16
and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin
unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16
Leading to death? Not praying?
Leaving it in the Lord's hands.
It is given in scripture.
But it is not an "eternal" torment.
In Rev 20:9, after the 2nd resurrection, fire comes out of heaven and devours the wicked.
The word "devour" in the original Greek means "to utterly consume, destroy"
Mal 4 sows the righteous walking upon the wicked. They are ashes under their feet.
Other OT texts state "they shall be as though they had not been", as though they had never existed.
This same statement is given to Satan too.
It makes no sense that Cain has been burning for thousands of years, then gets resurrected only to be told he has been judged and now has to go burn forever.....
BTW You may find Joel 3:9-15 interesting.
The wicked are wakened from death, make weapons of war, then have to face God in judgement.
This happens in the valley of Jehoshaphat. "Multitudes in the valley of decision". God sets up His throne there.
Absolutely amazing the depth of ignorance and mockery of the Lord Jesus in this statement! Wow!
Galatians 6:7,8 - he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption
FYI, those that are corrupt don't go to be with the Lord. They go to the fire.
Matthew 13:41,42 - The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The person needing to see this conversation is in to homosexuality
Do you think a person can be a homosexual and still be saved then?
Ask those that were in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Various texts in the book of Romans as well.
First, let me say: you need to seek. You need to read. You need to study. You need to pray. You need to find these truths for yourself. There are things being said here by a few that are not in the word of God, yet because someone says them, they treat it as if it's truth. Very confusing. You need to know: Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh, die of the Virgin Mary, die on the cross, get buried, rise the third day, and sit at the right hand of the Father? Did he die for past, present, future sins, or not? According to what I read and understand, he did.
So for me, did he die for my past sins, present sins, future sins? Yes. Did he create a new spirit in me? That's who I am, that's who the Father sees because I believe in, trust, and rely on Jesus Christ. Yes. We keep looking at time. He doesn't. He sees outside of time. He thought of you before this world was. I keep looking at, "Oh, I fell, I missed it now." What about all the time as you were living puro, live for Christ? He died for all my sins. He forgave me of all my sins. He tossed them away as far as the east is from the west. He loves me. He's for me. He's not against me. I have never, in over 50-plus years, spirit-filled, blood-bought, tongue-talking, gifts-believing believer, had the thought: "Ooh, I can sin all I want now." I can say "never." Who has that thought? Who accuses other brothers of this and never backs that statement up?
It's like reading some brother talking about these other preachers that fell, missed it. I knew for a fact some have repented, yet that wasn't brought up, that wasn't talked about. Only the sin was remembered by believers. This is what Paul talked about. This is milk. We should be beyond this. It's no longer I that sin, but sin that is in me. It does not mean I can freely sin because everything has been forgiven. This flesh loves to sin, and if I let it, it puts something between me and God, and my fellowship with God is hindered greatly. I say all the time, like the preacher said, a preacher that gets made fun of, 1979 or 1980. Said, "I don't think anybody has fallen as much as me." Get up, dust off, keep going. You repent, you forgive yourself, and you keep going. You try not to do it again.
A preacher. They call him a "grace teacher." Oh, he gets made fun of. Just a few years ago, he had to come on and remind Christians why they preach grace. No, you can't free sin. Yes, you have to repent. They focus on the good, not the bad. Oh, this is mute. You need to find out in God's word, did he die for all your sins, forgive you of all your sins, or not? First John, first chapter. He's talking to a group of people that first didn't believe Jesus was real. That's why John started talking about, "We seen Him, we touched Him, we heard Him." They believe they didn't have sin. He said, "If we say we don't have any sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. "
That's why we confess our sins, His faith and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Context matters.
It's not what am I saying to you or some other Christian. What is He saying to you? You have the Holy Spirit. You have Christ in you. Learn to listen. Take time. Wait on Him. It's always good. It's never bad. He does not judge. He does not condemn. He will always back up what he says by his word. And you always make sure what's being said is in his word. So, yes, all my past sins have been forgiven. No, I cannot really sin. I sin, willingly sin. We all do. We all have. Read what God said in His Word. If I've offended, forgive me.
There is always the sin onto death.
It will be horrendous.
I remember watching years ago on the John Ankerberg show a homosexual dying of AIDS who had returned to Christ.
He died. Yet, he confessed Christ to the end.
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified
in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
One key to understanding homosexuality is to understand that it did not originate with man.
It has another source.
Romans 1:18-25 reveals that God must first hand a person over to something before homosexuality becomes manifested.
There will be others hurt by these people and abused. They are the ones God wants to save and deliver from them.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness
of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God
is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world
God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but
their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed
to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made
to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the
degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie,
and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Then Paul goes on to say.... Romans 1:26-28
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual
relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women
and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received
in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them
over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
The big question is.
If we have plenty of the opposite sex freely at our disposal?
Why seek the same sex?
Romans 1:23-28 tells us that God hands them over to such a thing as punishment.
Some seek deliverance.
This person won't accept what I show them from the bible and wanted to see what other Christians say
You really believe a gay person can live in their gay lifestyle never repenting of the sin of being gay and still go to Heaven?
Am I understanding you right that it's ok to be gay and there are gay christians?
That's not what 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is saying about people that keep living in the things the text is saying will cause them to not be accepted in to God's kingdom.
I posted this for someone that wanted to see what other christians say about this rather then just having me show them
what God says in the bible about this
I sure hope you aren't saying it's OK for christians to be homosexuals and that they are saved and going to heaven as they continue in this lifestyle of sin.
What is a person says they are a christian and does not believe their sinful lifestyle is sinful and continues in their sin?
You thin such a person will be allowed in to God's kingdom anyway or not?
These people have the queen james bible that tells them it's a blessing of God to be gay
https://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-James-Bible.html
Not saying that.
The Christian man who had been a homosexual stated that he never felt normal heterosexual feelings until after regeneration.
He appeared on the John Ankerberg show with his wife.
Well praise God.. Its not my truth.. its why I say you need to seek you need to study you need to pray you need to find this truth for your self. We all do. I can't look back nor forward I only have this moment. There is no sin that defines me...His words.
"You really believe a gay person can live in their gay lifestyle never repenting of the sin of being gay and still go to Heaven?
Speculation... anyway. We know just because someone says, "Jesus is Lord, He was real, came and died on the cross for the world's sin," does not mean they're saved. They have to personally know it. Same with homosexuality aka sin. It's not because some Christian told him it was wrong, it was sinful, for some of them truly believe it's not. They need to know in their heart it's a sin.
I was what 9 or younger.. mom made to go to Church.. I would flip of the pastor.. and more. One week I had a dream I was in this fire and Satan was there said "ah ha I got you" Sunday morn came I went up front gave my life to Him. I could not stop crying. I still have From the Baptist Church, the four spiritual laws they gave me.
If we're going by what some Christian said, nobody should ever dance in church, because I remember, at 65 years old, back then dancing was wrong it's a sin. Shall I go on? Jesus said, "If you were blind, you'd have no sin. You say you see, your sin remains." I believe to be lost, one has to know that Lord Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, the only way to the Father, know that in their heart, know that when they die, they will be separated from the Father in hell, forever burning and then reject Him. They are lost.
How many here have sin yet you believe its not sin so its ok? Again, don't ask me, ask him to show you. Do you know how many people live in sin, but in their heart, they cry out every night to be set free? Yeah you don't your not GOD you just condemn judge.. put them like GOD on some time clock and If you don't jump through these hoops the way you think they should. They're not one of us.
We have no clue about the life the 12 with Paul the 120/3000 All the trials, setbacks, falls, goof-ups, sins they made, it's not recorded. Paul was what? Jesus found him on the road in 35 AD, and then wrote his first letter 50ad, or something like that, 15 to 20 years later. You're looking at some moment in time. God does it.
Anyway, I'm out of here.
"You really believe a gay person can live in their gay lifestyle never repenting of the sin of being gay and still go to Heaven?
Speculation... anyway. We know just because someone says, "Jesus is Lord, He was real, came and died on the cross for the world's sin," does not mean they're saved. They have to personally know it. Same with homosexuality aka sin. It's not because some Christian told him it was wrong, it was sinful, for some of them truly believe it's not. They need to know in their heart it's a sin.
I was what 9 or younger.. mom made to go to Church.. I would flip of the pastor.. and more. One week I had a dream I was in this fire and Satan was there said "ah ha I got you" Sunday morn came I went up front gave my life to Him. I could not stop crying. I still have From the Baptist Church, the four spiritual laws they gave me.
If we're going by what some Christian said, nobody should ever dance in church, because I remember, at 65 years old, back then dancing was wrong it's a sin. Shall I go on? Jesus said, "If you were blind, you'd have no sin. You say you see, your sin remains." I believe to be lost, one has to know that Lord Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, the only way to the Father, know that in their heart, know that when they die, they will be separated from the Father in hell, forever burning and then reject Him. They are lost.
How many here have sin yet you believe its not sin so its ok? Again, don't ask me, ask him to show you. Do you know how many people live in sin, but in their heart, they cry out every night to be set free? Yeah you don't your not GOD you just condemn judge.. put them like GOD on some time clock and If you don't jump through these hoops the way you think they should. They're not one of us.
We have no clue about the life the 12 with Paul the 120/3000 All the trials, setbacks, falls, goof-ups, sins they made, it's not recorded. Paul was what? Jesus found him on the road in 35 AD, and then wrote his first letter 50ad, or something like that, 15 to 20 years later. You're looking at some moment in time. God does it.
Anyway, I'm out of here.