Fall of Lucifer

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Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (KJV)

Who are the "stars of God?"
What does it mean "in the sides of the north?"
Are there clouds in Heaven? What is their purpose?
 
Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (KJV)

Who are the "stars of God?"
What does it mean "in the sides of the north?"
Are there clouds in Heaven? What is their purpose?
Stars of God = God's Angels
Sides of the North = God does not view direction (N, S, E, W) as we do on a horizontal plane. In God's Kingdom North is up and South is down.
Clouds = (speculation) God's Power is so strong that without the filter of the clouds some in the congregation could be consumed. Just like the clouds filter us from the sun.

So, let's put this together:
"I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;" Jesus is in charge of the angels.
"I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north;" God Himself sits at the very peak of North (which is up) and Jesus sits a little lower than God on the "side of the North."
"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;" Again, speculating. I can only assume that there are few that can be above the clouds. The Archangel Gabriel stands before the Lord and therefore is above the clouds (Luke 1:19).

What this boils down to is that Lucifer was after the throne of Jesus. He was planning to cast Jesus out and had a third of the stars of God to back him.

This is my thoughts on this. Anyone have a different view?
 
What does it mean "in the sides of the north?"

Here you go...

Psalms 48:2 - Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Not sure how much of a deep dive you are looking to do, but Mount Zion is euphemism for the male reproductive organ. Specifically, that of Abraham the Heavenly Father archetype. Out of Mount Zion flows Abraham's Seed and the 144,000 into the 'gates' of Sarah to partake of the Tree of Life to become literally born again.

What you are looking at in Isaiah is Satan's plan to try and 'sit in the temple of God', in other words, he wants to incarnate as a Jesus figure. He wants to be fully God and fully man.

He wants to do this:

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He wants immortality in a sinful body. Think Transhumanism.
 
Are there clouds in Heaven? What is their purpose?

I believe this verse may help solve some of the symbolism:

Hebrews 12:1 - Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

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I believe this verse may help solve some of the symbolism:

Hebrews 12:1 - Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

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Keep in mind that Isaiah 14 posted in the original post was long before the earth and long before the written word of God. I believe God was giving us a little insight on why Lucifer fell. But, it is curious on what those things mean.
 
Here you go...

Psalms 48:2 - Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Not sure how much of a deep dive you are looking to do, but Mount Zion is euphemism for the male reproductive organ. Specifically, that of Abraham the Heavenly Father archetype. Out of Mount Zion flows Abraham's Seed and the 144,000 into the 'gates' of Sarah to partake of the Tree of Life to become literally born again.

What you are looking at in Isaiah is Satan's plan to try and 'sit in the temple of God', in other words, he wants to incarnate as a Jesus figure. He wants to be fully God and fully man.

He wants to do this:

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He wants immortality in a sinful body. Think Transhumanism.
That is an unseemly and ridiculous interpretation.

Mount Zion refers to a city, Jerusalem, not an organ of reproduction.

Your misinterpretation is founded on the Sex Worship ideology, a pagan scheme.
 
Keep in mind that Isaiah 14 posted in the original post was long before the earth and long before the written word of God. I believe God was giving us a little insight on why Lucifer fell. But, it is curious on what those things mean.
What's the scripture to support this statement?
 
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That is an unseemly and ridiculous interpretation.

No, it's not. By the way, I am not ignorant.

Mount Zion refers to a city, Jerusalem...

That is incorrect. A mountain is not a city. Let's not lose sight of common sense.

For example, Mystery Babylon 'sits' on the mountains. She is not the mountains.

New Jerusalem descends onto the mountain. She is not the mountain itself.

...not an organ of reproduction.

A father and mother have children. Again, let's not lose sight of common sense and how that process works.

Your misinterpretation is founded on the Sex Worship ideology, a pagan scheme.

Sorry but 'sex worship' and 'pagan schemes' are in your head, not mine. Scripture is teaching the process of becoming Born Again using basic earthly human anatomy to teach Spiritual things. That is the meat of the Word that is almost never taught. Most Christians are on the baby's milk believing in nursery rhyme interpretations.

New Jerusalem is the mother of us all. She is Sarah. The saved partake of the Tree of Life which bare twelve manner of 'fruit' on a monthly period which is symbolic of a woman's menstrual cycle. The Tree of Life is 'fertilized' by the waters emanating from the Father on the throne. Specifically, the 'waters' emanate from the Lamb, i.e., Abraham's Seed.

Again, Scripture uses earthly human anatomy to teach that which is Spiritual. Becoming Born Again is a very literal, step by step process of which I happen to know quite a bit about.
 
Stars of God = God's Angels
Sides of the North = God does not view direction (N, S, E, W) as we do on a horizontal plane. In God's Kingdom North is up and South is down.
Clouds = (speculation) God's Power is so strong that without the filter of the clouds some in the congregation could be consumed. Just like the clouds filter us from the sun.

So, let's put this together:
"I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;" Jesus is in charge of the angels.
"I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north;" God Himself sits at the very peak of North (which is up) and Jesus sits a little lower than God on the "side of the North."
"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;" Again, speculating. I can only assume that there are few that can be above the clouds. The Archangel Gabriel stands before the Lord and therefore is above the clouds (Luke 1:19).

What this boils down to is that Lucifer was after the throne of Jesus. He was planning to cast Jesus out and had a third of the stars of God to back him.

This is my thoughts on this. Anyone have a different view?
I think you've made some interesting observations, but I'd be careful about building too much on details the text itself doesn't explain.
I agree that the "stars of God" likely refers to angelic beings, since stars are often associated with heavenly beings elsewhere in Scripture (Job 38:7; Rev. 12:4).
But when Isaiah says: "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,"
the emphasis seems to be on elevating himself above the heavenly host, not specifically on replacing Jesus.
Likewise, "the sides of the north" may be connected with God's mountain of rule and authority (Ps. 48:2), but I don't see a clear text that says God sits at the top, Jesus sits slightly lower on the side, and Satan was trying to take Jesus' seat.
That feels like moving beyond what Scripture explicitly states.
The clearest statement in the passage is: "I will be like the most High" (Isa. 14:14).
That sounds less like a plan to replace Christ and more like a desire to exalt himself to God's position.
The repeated "I will ascend," "I will exalt," and "I will be like the most High" point to pride and self-exaltation as the central issue.
As for the clouds, I think the simplest reading is that they are part of the imagery of ascending higher and higher.
Scripture never explains them as a protective filter in heaven, so I'd hold that idea loosely.
So my view would be that Satan's ultimate target was God's authority itself.
Jesus certainly shares in that authority, but Isaiah's focus seems to be the creature's desire to elevate himself to the place that belongs to the Most High alone.
 
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Keep in mind that Isaiah 14 posted in the original post was long before the earth and long before the written word of God. I believe God was giving us a little insight on why Lucifer fell. But, it is curious on what those things mean.
God made Adam in his image and appointed him as governor of the earth, all angels including Lucifer were commanded to obey him. Lucifer vehemently proteted, he openly rebelled to usurp God, and he was defeated by Michael, he and a third of all angels - aka stars- were cast out of heaven to the earth.
 
No, it's not. By the way, I am not ignorant.
Be not wise in thine own eyes. Prov. 3:7


Sorry but 'sex worship' and 'pagan schemes' are in your head, not mine. Scripture is teaching the process of becoming Born Again using basic earthly human anatomy to teach Spiritual things. That is the meat of the Word that is almost never taught. Most Christians are on the baby's milk believing in nursery rhyme interpretations.

New Jerusalem is the mother of us all. She is Sarah. The saved partake of the Tree of Life which bare twelve manner of 'fruit' on a monthly period which is symbolic of a woman's menstrual cycle. The Tree of Life is 'fertilized' by the waters emanating from the Father on the throne. Specifically, the 'waters' emanate from the Lamb, i.e., Abraham's Seed.

Again, Scripture uses earthly human anatomy to teach that which is Spiritual. Becoming Born Again is a very literal, step by step process of which I happen to know quite a bit about.
Your extreme sexualization of these matters is based on the pagan ideology of Sex Worship. I am familiar with your unseemly orientation.
 
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Be not wise in thine own eyes. Prov. 3:7



Your extreme sexualization of these matters is based on the pagan ideology of Sex Worship. I am familiar with your unseemly orientation.

Agree, not good.
Esoteric sexualized interpretation is not the meat of the word.
 
Becoming Born Again is a very literal, step by step process of which I happen to know quite a bit about.

The correct terminology is "born from above" and while Jesus uses physical birth to make the analogy that it is a one time event.