Fall of Lucifer

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Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (KJV)

Who are the "stars of God?"
What does it mean "in the sides of the north?"
Are there clouds in Heaven? What is their purpose?
 
Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (KJV)

Who are the "stars of God?"
What does it mean "in the sides of the north?"
Are there clouds in Heaven? What is their purpose?
Stars of God = God's Angels
Sides of the North = God does not view direction (N, S, E, W) as we do on a horizontal plane. In God's Kingdom North is up and South is down.
Clouds = (speculation) God's Power is so strong that without the filter of the clouds some in the congregation could be consumed. Just like the clouds filter us from the sun.

So, let's put this together:
"I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;" Jesus is in charge of the angels.
"I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north;" God Himself sits at the very peak of North (which is up) and Jesus sits a little lower than God on the "side of the North."
"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;" Again, speculating. I can only assume that there are few that can be above the clouds. The Archangel Gabriel stands before the Lord and therefore is above the clouds (Luke 1:19).

What this boils down to is that Lucifer was after the throne of Jesus. He was planning to cast Jesus out and had a third of the stars of God to back him.

This is my thoughts on this. Anyone have a different view?
 
What does it mean "in the sides of the north?"

Here you go...

Psalms 48:2 - Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Not sure how much of a deep dive you are looking to do, but Mount Zion is euphemism for the male reproductive organ. Specifically, that of Abraham the Heavenly Father archetype. Out of Mount Zion flows Abraham's Seed and the 144,000 into the 'gates' of Sarah to partake of the Tree of Life to become literally born again.

What you are looking at in Isaiah is Satan's plan to try and 'sit in the temple of God', in other words, he wants to incarnate as a Jesus figure. He wants to be fully God and fully man.

He wants to do this:

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He wants immortality in a sinful body. Think Transhumanism.
 
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Are there clouds in Heaven? What is their purpose?

I believe this verse may help solve some of the symbolism:

Hebrews 12:1 - Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

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I believe this verse may help solve some of the symbolism:

Hebrews 12:1 - Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

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Keep in mind that Isaiah 14 posted in the original post was long before the earth and long before the written word of God. I believe God was giving us a little insight on why Lucifer fell. But, it is curious on what those things mean.
 
Here you go...

Psalms 48:2 - Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Not sure how much of a deep dive you are looking to do, but Mount Zion is euphemism for the male reproductive organ. Specifically, that of Abraham the Heavenly Father archetype. Out of Mount Zion flows Abraham's Seed and the 144,000 into the 'gates' of Sarah to partake of the Tree of Life to become literally born again.

What you are looking at in Isaiah is Satan's plan to try and 'sit in the temple of God', in other words, he wants to incarnate as a Jesus figure. He wants to be fully God and fully man.

He wants to do this:

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He wants immortality in a sinful body. Think Transhumanism.
That is an unseemly and ridiculous interpretation.

Mount Zion refers to a city, Jerusalem, not an organ of reproduction.

Your misinterpretation is founded on the Sex Worship ideology, a pagan scheme.
 
Keep in mind that Isaiah 14 posted in the original post was long before the earth and long before the written word of God. I believe God was giving us a little insight on why Lucifer fell. But, it is curious on what those things mean.
What's the scripture to support this statement?
 
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That is an unseemly and ridiculous interpretation.

No, it's not. By the way, I am not ignorant.

Mount Zion refers to a city, Jerusalem...

That is incorrect. A mountain is not a city. Let's not lose sight of common sense.

For example, Mystery Babylon 'sits' on the mountains. She is not the mountains.

New Jerusalem descends onto the mountain. She is not the mountain itself.

...not an organ of reproduction.

A father and mother have children. Again, let's not lose sight of common sense and how that process works.

Your misinterpretation is founded on the Sex Worship ideology, a pagan scheme.

Sorry but 'sex worship' and 'pagan schemes' are in your head, not mine. Scripture is teaching the process of becoming Born Again using basic earthly human anatomy to teach Spiritual things. That is the meat of the Word that is almost never taught. Most Christians are on the baby's milk believing in nursery rhyme interpretations.

New Jerusalem is the mother of us all. She is Sarah. The saved partake of the Tree of Life which bare twelve manner of 'fruit' on a monthly period which is symbolic of a woman's menstrual cycle. The Tree of Life is 'fertilized' by the waters emanating from the Father on the throne. Specifically, the 'waters' emanate from the Lamb, i.e., Abraham's Seed.

Again, Scripture uses earthly human anatomy to teach that which is Spiritual. Becoming Born Again is a very literal, step by step process of which I happen to know quite a bit about.
 
Stars of God = God's Angels
Sides of the North = God does not view direction (N, S, E, W) as we do on a horizontal plane. In God's Kingdom North is up and South is down.
Clouds = (speculation) God's Power is so strong that without the filter of the clouds some in the congregation could be consumed. Just like the clouds filter us from the sun.

So, let's put this together:
"I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;" Jesus is in charge of the angels.
"I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north;" God Himself sits at the very peak of North (which is up) and Jesus sits a little lower than God on the "side of the North."
"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;" Again, speculating. I can only assume that there are few that can be above the clouds. The Archangel Gabriel stands before the Lord and therefore is above the clouds (Luke 1:19).

What this boils down to is that Lucifer was after the throne of Jesus. He was planning to cast Jesus out and had a third of the stars of God to back him.

This is my thoughts on this. Anyone have a different view?
I think you've made some interesting observations, but I'd be careful about building too much on details the text itself doesn't explain.
I agree that the "stars of God" likely refers to angelic beings, since stars are often associated with heavenly beings elsewhere in Scripture (Job 38:7; Rev. 12:4).
But when Isaiah says: "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,"
the emphasis seems to be on elevating himself above the heavenly host, not specifically on replacing Jesus.
Likewise, "the sides of the north" may be connected with God's mountain of rule and authority (Ps. 48:2), but I don't see a clear text that says God sits at the top, Jesus sits slightly lower on the side, and Satan was trying to take Jesus' seat.
That feels like moving beyond what Scripture explicitly states.
The clearest statement in the passage is: "I will be like the most High" (Isa. 14:14).
That sounds less like a plan to replace Christ and more like a desire to exalt himself to God's position.
The repeated "I will ascend," "I will exalt," and "I will be like the most High" point to pride and self-exaltation as the central issue.
As for the clouds, I think the simplest reading is that they are part of the imagery of ascending higher and higher.
Scripture never explains them as a protective filter in heaven, so I'd hold that idea loosely.
So my view would be that Satan's ultimate target was God's authority itself.
Jesus certainly shares in that authority, but Isaiah's focus seems to be the creature's desire to elevate himself to the place that belongs to the Most High alone.
 
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Keep in mind that Isaiah 14 posted in the original post was long before the earth and long before the written word of God. I believe God was giving us a little insight on why Lucifer fell. But, it is curious on what those things mean.
God made Adam in his image and appointed him as governor of the earth, all angels including Lucifer were commanded to obey him. Lucifer vehemently proteted, he openly rebelled to usurp God, and he was defeated by Michael, he and a third of all angels - aka stars- were cast out of heaven to the earth.
 
No, it's not. By the way, I am not ignorant.
Be not wise in thine own eyes. Prov. 3:7


Sorry but 'sex worship' and 'pagan schemes' are in your head, not mine. Scripture is teaching the process of becoming Born Again using basic earthly human anatomy to teach Spiritual things. That is the meat of the Word that is almost never taught. Most Christians are on the baby's milk believing in nursery rhyme interpretations.

New Jerusalem is the mother of us all. She is Sarah. The saved partake of the Tree of Life which bare twelve manner of 'fruit' on a monthly period which is symbolic of a woman's menstrual cycle. The Tree of Life is 'fertilized' by the waters emanating from the Father on the throne. Specifically, the 'waters' emanate from the Lamb, i.e., Abraham's Seed.

Again, Scripture uses earthly human anatomy to teach that which is Spiritual. Becoming Born Again is a very literal, step by step process of which I happen to know quite a bit about.
Your extreme sexualization of these matters is based on the pagan ideology of Sex Worship. I am familiar with your unseemly orientation.
 
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Be not wise in thine own eyes. Prov. 3:7



Your extreme sexualization of these matters is based on the pagan ideology of Sex Worship. I am familiar with your unseemly orientation.

Agree, not good.
Esoteric sexualized interpretation is not the meat of the word.
 
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Becoming Born Again is a very literal, step by step process of which I happen to know quite a bit about.

The correct terminology is "born from above" and while Jesus uses physical birth to make the analogy that it is a one time event.
 
The correct terminology is "born from above" and while Jesus uses physical birth to make the analogy that it is a one time event.
My understanding born again is Jesus, Holy spirit wake us up from dead, give us real life. Jesus blood sprinkle on us to give us life. Blood is life.

like to hear others take on born again.
 
My understanding born again is Jesus, Holy spirit wake us up from dead, give us real life. Jesus blood sprinkle on us to give us life. Blood is life.

like to hear others take on born again.


Jesus is teaching that spiritual rebirth is a one time event ....... the Holy Spirit does not dwell in a person little by little.
But I am not really sure what @Researcher meant by "step by step?"
 
Jesus is teaching that spiritual rebirth is a one time event ....... the Holy Spirit does not dwell in a person little by little.
Generally agree.
My faith on the other hand is growing. From little long ago, to more today, praise to God. Like a baby growing into adult.
But I am not really sure what @Researcher meant by "step by step?"
 
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Sides of the north
tsâphôn
tsaw-fone', tsaw-fone'
From H6845; properly hidden, that is, dark; used only of the north as a quarter (gloomy and unknown): - north (-ern, side, -ward, wind).

Mount of the congregation
har
har
A shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.

hârâr
haw-rawr'
From an unused root meaning to loom up; a mountain: - hill, mount (-ain).

Heights of the clouds
bâmâh
baw-maw'
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: - height, high place, wave.

‛âb
awb
Masculine and feminine; from H5743; properly an envelope, that is, darkness (or density, 2Ch_4:17); specifically a (scud) cloud; also a copse: - clay, (thick) cloud, X thick, thicket. Compare H5672.

Above the stars
kôkâb
ko-kawb'
Probably from the same as H3522 (in the sense of rolling) or H3554 (in the sense of blazing); a star (as round or as shining); figuratively a prince: - star ([-gazer]).

These are references to show Lucifer wanting to be exalted high up.

So high as to even be in the darkness high above everything like the darkness above us.

And above the stars as shining brightly above the angels.

And the mount of the congregation up high as a person on a mountain above people on the ground.

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

The Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but their life was prolonged for a season and time.

Which their ways are still on earth which they represent human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

The beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit.

A person either belongs to the kingdom of God or Babylon the kingdom of man.

The antichrist will resurrect the Babylonian system but worse which he is of the occult and does not believe in a personal God.

And his religion exalts people.

When Lucifer works in the world as the antichrist the people of the world will follow him which God will send them strong delusion to do so.

When the antichrist is defeated the world will realize the antichrist is as weak as them and not the person they thought he was.

Which the false prophet did miracles to convince the people that the antichrist evolved to be spiritual, and greater, and gave this power to the false prophet.

So the world will think he is great but they are lying wonders.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

God will cut off the name of Babylon.

But since Babylon's life was prolonged for a season and time and the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit then their name has not been cut off yet.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Babylon falls when Jesus puts down the world.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The new age christianity that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

It is the religion of the antichrist as he tries to unite the religions saying they are compatible.

When the New Age Christ starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age to get people away from the truth and prepare the world to accept him when he claims to be God.

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1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The new age christianity that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

It is the religion of the antichrist as he tries to unite the religions saying they are compatible.

When the New Age Christ starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age to get people away from the truth and prepare the world to accept him when he claims to be God.

lucistrust.org

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust.

Such was never the case.

However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”.

By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light.

The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer.

Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man.

In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

They believe Lucifer is an alien, and a god, that gave mankind intelligence, and will cause them to evolve.

Alice Bailey was a fundamental christian but received an occult interpretation from a Tibetan monk.

She is the biggest prophet of the new age.

They set up a website to promote her books and teachings.

She said there is an inner circle and an outer circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church.

She was married to a Freemason that agreed with her teachings and philosophy.

Which Freemasonry has an inner circle that is in to occult teachings.

The world will follow Lucifer as the New Age Christ but will realize he is no better than them and they been deceived.

That is when Babylon will fall which they are still in affect because the world belongs to Babylon the kingdom of man until Jesus puts them down.