A CHRISTIAN WHO BELIEVES THAT EACH DAY OF CREATION WEEK WAS MILLIONS OF YEARS.

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JesusExodus

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This Christian I was talking with believes that the days of Creation week were very long periods of time, he said that the plants created on day 3 could indeed survive millions of years until the sun was created on day 4. His explanation was that if God can create plant life at the bottom of the ocean that receive no sunlight, God could have easily have created the original plants to need no sunlight. And after the sun was created, plants evolved the ability to use the energy provided by the sunlight.

He accuse me of not thinking and merely quoting centuries old verbiage, trying to hold onto outdated thoughts.

Now, I am not a scientist but what do you all think about this? What would be some good responses to this? Whose the one really not thinking here?
 
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krisbrian

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Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So, when people rested on the sabbath day did they rest for millions of years? No, only a day.

The wording in Genesis would suggest that they were literal 24 hour days.
 
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ukkez

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i was going though genesis the oher day and my head want to say that the earth was made over millions of years, went to a meeting about evaloution or creation and they come up with that genesis is a poem and adam and eve mean man and women, so they wernt the only people on the earth. god works in diffrent times to us, did people back then have a word for million, and i wondered weather noahs fload was the ice age, would explain the animals dieing out. maybe i should just take it as gods word and leave it as that.
 
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Trax

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JesusExodus said:
This Christian I was talking with believes that the days of Creation week were very long periods of time, he said that the plants created on day 3 could indeed survive millions of years until the sun was created on day 4. His explanation was that if God can create plant life at the bottom of the ocean that receive no sunlight, God could have easily have created the original plants to need no sunlight. And after the sun was created, plants evolved the ability to use the energy provided by the sunlight.

He accuse me of not thinking and merely quoting centuries old verbiage, trying to hold onto outdated thoughts.

Now, I am not a scientist but what do you all think about this? What would be some good responses to this? Whose the one really not thinking here?
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If someone had met Adam after he had been created, how old would Adam be judged to be?
Five minutes old or say 30 years old? The bread that fed the 1000's, how old was it?
Did Jesus run, plant wheat, cause it to grow real fast, harvest it, grind it into flour, make dough,
cook it, then hand it out? Or did He just create it right there on the spot?

People develop theories to explain how things came about. What they lack is the knowledge on
"how to make things come about."
 
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In the first verse of Genesis it says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”. God did not mention days until the day He brought light, or, going to the original Hebrew, until he brought enlightenment on the first day.

The Hebrew culture and thinking was different from our Greek thinking. They thought about how things worked, not how and why. God didn’t tell us how, just it happened.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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krisbrian said:
The wording in Genesis would suggest that they were literal 24 hour days.
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Not at all.

"And it was evening, and it was morning, the first day."
"And it was evening, and it was morning, the second day."
"And it was evening, and it was morning, the third day."

The wording in Genesis suggests that the passage is a poem, and not intended to be taken literally.

Did God write the Bible? Absolutely. Is it true? Undoubtedly. Does that require that it must be literal in all places? Of course not.

Jesus spoke in parables more often than not. Why wouldn't the Father also speak in parables? Answer: He does. The Father and the Son are one. At least, that's what He told us. I'm inclined to believe that, on some level, if not literal, I know it's still True.
 
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Laodicea

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TheGrungeDiva said:
Not at all.

"And it was evening, and it was morning, the first day."
"And it was evening, and it was morning, the second day."
"And it was evening, and it was morning, the third day."

The wording in Genesis suggests that the passage is a poem, and not intended to be taken literally.

Did God write the Bible? Absolutely. Is it true? Undoubtedly. Does that require that it must be literal in all places? Of course not.

Jesus spoke in parables more often than not. Why wouldn't the Father also speak in parables? Answer: He does. The Father and the Son are one. At least, that's what He told us. I'm inclined to believe that, on some level, if not literal, I know it's still True.
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Genesis 1 is literal even if it is written in poetic style.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Laodicea said:
Genesis 1 is literal even if it is written in poetic style.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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So, do you believe that Jesus is not God, or that Jesus did not speak in parables?

And why would you think that quoting a parable would prove that it isn't a parable? Can you say circular reasoning?
 
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krisbrian

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This is something I read somewhere.

first day = day one. The word "day" may refer to a prolonged period when used without any qualifying words. But when qualified with a numeral (cardinal or ordinal) it is defined and limited by it to a day of 24 hours. It is further limited here by its boundaries "evening and morning", as well as by the 7th day. Compare Exo_20:9, Exo_20:11.
 
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Do not really care one way or the other but I tend to lean toward "day" being any amount of time and not a literal 24 hour time period. First of all, God exists outside of time and who was there to measure how long these days were? These days could have been billions of years or microseconds. It does not matter. The point was, God created the world and everything in it in seven stages...

As for how would plants be able to survive for 3 million years or whatever before the sun was created... God created light before there was a sun... that is impossible for there to be light with no source. God can make the universe in 7 literal days but he can't make plants survive 3 million years with no sun? God is God... he could make plants thrive in the core of the planet if he wanted.

I don't really care one way or the other and I've learned not to think about it too much... it's not anything to lose sleep over.
 
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Laodicea

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TheGrungeDiva said:
So, do you believe that Jesus is not God, or that Jesus did not speak in parables?

And why would you think that quoting a parable would prove that it isn't a parable? Can you say circular reasoning?
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Jesus is God and He did speak in parables and the earth was created in 6 literal days as the Bible says and He rested the 7th day

Genesis 1:5
(5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This shows that each day of creation consisted of a evening and a morning, a 24 hour period

 
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Laodicea said:
Jesus is God and He did speak in parables and the earth was created in 6 literal days as the Bible says and He rested the 7th day

Genesis 1:5
(5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This shows that each day of creation consisted of a evening and a morning, a 24 hour period

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Does the bible ever says "that the evening and the morning were the SEVENTH DAY?
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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acesneverwin said:
Do not really care one way or the other but I tend to lean toward "day" being any amount of time and not a literal 24 hour time period. First of all, God exists outside of time and who was there to measure how long these days were? These days could have been billions of years or microseconds. It does not matter. The point was, God created the world and everything in it in seven stages...

As for how would plants be able to survive for 3 million years or whatever before the sun was created... God created light before there was a sun... that is impossible for there to be light with no source. God can make the universe in 7 literal days but he can't make plants survive 3 million years with no sun? God is God... he could make plants thrive in the core of the planet if he wanted.

I don't really care one way or the other and I've learned not to think about it too much... it's not anything to lose sleep over.
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So well said. The Bible doesn't even TRY to tell us when or how. It tells us WHO and WHY. God gave us scientists to tell us when and how.

If evolution is not correct, then God is a liar. I, for one, will not worship a liar.
 
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krisbrian

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If evolution IS correct then God is a liar. God created man in his image....you cant say that for animals. So man could not have evolved from a monkeys.

...and God told us when he made everything.....he made it in the beginning :)
 
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Laodicea

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Israel said:
Does the bible ever says "that the evening and the morning were the SEVENTH DAY?
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But God did not create anything on the 7th day. He blessed, sanctified and rested on the 7th day.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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krisbrian said:
If evolution IS correct then God is a liar.
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No, if evolution is correct, then God is a great story-teller. If evolution is not correct, God, who planted the evidence for evolution falsely, is a liar and a trickster. I have no problem worshiping a God who speaks in parables. I do have a problem worshiping a God who plants false evidence intended to trick and mislead, to tell a false story that is contrary to fact. Sorry, but my God is not a liar. If you want to worship a god who lies, you may, but as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord, not the father of lies.

God created man in his image....you cant say that for animals. So man could not have evolved from a monkeys.
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Why not? I'm sorry to hear that your weakling god who lies is not powerful enough to create an evolved man who has a soul. You might consider switching gods to one who not only is powerful enough to create humankind in his image, evolved from animals but with a divine spark imbibed through the process of evolution, but who also doesn't lie. I don't want to tell you what to believe, you're free to worship any god you choose. Like I said, I prefer to worship a powerful and truth-telling God.
 
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God didn't physically write the bible so the use of the word day could have been more for human understanding. It also tells us Adam live 930 years and that Noah was over 500 years old at the time of the flood. I just don't know of anybody that lived that long, the bible also tells us we live for 3 score and 10 years which is 70 years.
 
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krisbrian

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TheGrungeDiva said:
No, if evolution is correct, then God is a great story-teller. If evolution is not correct, God, who planted the evidence for evolution falsely, is a liar and a trickster. I have no problem worshiping a God who speaks in parables. I do have a problem worshiping a God who plants false evidence intended to trick and mislead, to tell a false story that is contrary to fact. Sorry, but my God is not a liar. If you want to worship a god who lies, you may, but as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord, not the father of lies.



Why not? I'm sorry to hear that your weakling god who lies is not powerful enough to create an evolved man who has a soul. You might consider switching gods to one who not only is powerful enough to create humankind in his image, evolved from animals but with a divine spark imbibed through the process of evolution, but who also doesn't lie. I don't want to tell you what to believe, you're free to worship any god you choose. Like I said, I prefer to worship a powerful and truth-telling God.
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The false theories and ideas of man has really gotten inside your head and started trashing the place hasn't it? I feel for you.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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krisbrian said:
The false theories and ideas of man has really gotten inside your head and started trashing the place hasn't it? I feel for you.
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Not at all. Jesus warned we would always have false prophets, people claiming to speak in his name but speaking lies. That such theories and ideas exist doesn't surprise me. That so many so-called Christians are taken in by the lies is, well, maybe not surprising, but a little disappointing. Jesus asks for us to give him our hearts, not our brains. I'll never understand why so many seem to insist that we're not supposed to use the brains God gave us.
 
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