All believers have ideas about many things, and this one is nothing new. Myself, I recognize the utility of various theories, the geologic time scale, continental drift, the big boom, dynamic encounter and coelescing gases, and much more, but I do not believe these theories per se, I simply use them. This is what I do, and this is not intended to start a debate of "great minds" since my love is Jesus, and I believe His Word. I said I believe His Word, not that I understand it all implicitely.
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Who said it did? I asked you a simple question. You said " Adam is a picture of our beginnings", so I asked you if you believed in a literal Adam.
They most certainly are.
Honestly, 2knowhim, sometimes I have no clue what you're trying to say. It seems you want to spiritualize everything in the bible, and you come up with things that are only meaningful to you.
They most certainly are.
Honestly, 2knowhim, sometimes I have no clue what you're trying to say. It seems you want to spiritualize everything in the bible, and you come up with things that are only meaningful to you.
I know that you don't understand me, but I do understand you and where your coming from.
I used to believe exactly like you, and no one could tell me anything different. Anything New was cultist
or New age, or absolutely NO WAY. I knew what the word said and that was all I needed.
So I can't help but Love you, you remind me so much of me yrs. ago.
Then tragedy hit, and my little world of thinking I had all the answers, and what I believed, did not stand.
See I have been in hell, and know what it's like, and I also know that ONLY He can deliver and does.
I have also been in Outer Darkness, And it is not what you think it is. And all of this, while confessing That Jesus Christ is Lord.
I pray that it don't' take what it took for me, to be pliable in The Master's hands, for you dear shroom.
But I can say that what He has brought me out of, and brought me to today, Has stood firm in the Fires.
It has not failed, when tragedy hit this time, it was EVERYTHING, that I did NOT have before,
See this time it was HIM. Not just knowledge on the pages that Had no strength when the test came.
This time it was different. I was different.
Much Blessings
I used to believe exactly like you, and no one could tell me anything different. Anything New was cultist
or New age, or absolutely NO WAY. I knew what the word said and that was all I needed.
So I can't help but Love you, you remind me so much of me yrs. ago.
Then tragedy hit, and my little world of thinking I had all the answers, and what I believed, did not stand.
See I have been in hell, and know what it's like, and I also know that ONLY He can deliver and does.
I have also been in Outer Darkness, And it is not what you think it is. And all of this, while confessing That Jesus Christ is Lord.
I pray that it don't' take what it took for me, to be pliable in The Master's hands, for you dear shroom.
But I can say that what He has brought me out of, and brought me to today, Has stood firm in the Fires.
It has not failed, when tragedy hit this time, it was EVERYTHING, that I did NOT have before,
See this time it was HIM. Not just knowledge on the pages that Had no strength when the test came.
This time it was different. I was different.
Much Blessings
Genesis 1 is literal. But Genesis 1 doesn't teach a 'six 24-hour day creation'.
And in regards to Exodus 20:11, this verse is just one of five in the Pentateuch that addresses the fourth commandment.
1. Exodus 20:8-11
(8) "Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy.
(9) Six days you are to labor and do all your work,
(10) but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. You are not to do any work, neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your livestock, nor the alien who is within your gates,
(11) because the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them, in six days, then he rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
2. Exodus 31:12-17
(12) The LORD told Moses,
(13) "You are to speak to the Israelis: 'You are to surely observe my Sabbaths because it's a sign between me and you from generation to generation, so you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
(14) You are to observe the Sabbath, because it's holy for you. Whoever profanes it shall surely die; indeed, whoever does work on it is to be cut off from among his people.
(15) Work may be done for six days, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does work on the Sabbath shall surely die.
(16) The Israelis shall keep the Sabbath to make the Sabbath observance a perpetual covenant from generation to generation.
(17) It is a sign forever between me and the Israelis, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'"
3. Exodus 35:1-3
(1) Moses assembled the entire congregation of the Israelis and told them, "These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do:
(2) For six days work is to be done, but on the seventh day you are to have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest in dedication to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day is to be executed.
(3) You are not to light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath."
4. Leviticus 23:1-3
(1) The LORD spoke to Moses,
(2) Tell the Israelis, "These are my feast times appointed by the LORD that you are to declare as sacred assemblies.
(3) Six days you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a sacred assembly. You are not to do any work. It's a Sabbath to the LORD wherever you live.
5. Deuteronomy 5:12-15
(12) "Keep the Sabbath day holy, just as the LORD your God commanded.
(13) Six days you are to labor and do all your work,
(14) but the seventh day is a Sabbath for the LORD your God. You are not to do any work: neither you, your children, your male and female servants, your oxen and donkeys, all your livestock, as well as the foreigners who live among you, so that your male and female servants may rest as you do.
(15) Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, but the LORD your God brought you out from there with great power and a show of force. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
For three of these passages (Exodus 35:2; Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:12-15), no connection at all is drawn between God's work week and humanity's. For the remaining two passages, the 'proof' would hold only if neither the word for 'day' nor the word for 'Sabbath' were ever used with reference to any time period other than 24 hours.
In all five passages, the Sabbath rest for humanity is referred to as "...a Sabbath...", indicating that there may be more than one kind of Sabbath. Hebrew scholar Gleason Archer noted, "By no means does this [Exodus 20:9–11] demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six days, any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days." - Gleason L. Archer, "A Response to the Trustworthiness of Scripture in Areas Relating to Natural Science", in Hermeneutics, Inerrancy, and the Bible.
Sometimes the Sabbath is a full year, as in Leviticus 25:4, where God commands a 12-month rest period for agricultural land. Sabbaths for God's physical creation appear to be related to the biological limits of His creatures. Thus, a 24-hour rest period every seven calendar days is appropriate for humans, while a 12-month rest period every seven years is best for agricultural fields. Since God is not subject to biological limits, His "rest" period can be of any duration He chooses. The reference to a Sabbath seems to be a reference to the pattern of one out of seven, not its precise duration as part of the creation days. Therefore, the creation days need not be interpreted, based on the Exodus 20 passage, as 24-hour periods.
The apostle Paul made a similar point. When some Christians tried to enforce a particular day as the Sabbath, he wrote that believers should honor a Sabbath, but with the freedom to consider any day of the week as a rest period.
Romans 14:5-6
(5) One person decides in favor of one day over another, while another person decides that all days are the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind:
(6) The one who observes a special day, observes it to honor the Lord. The one who eats, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God. And the one who does not eat, refrains from eating to honor the Lord; yet he, too, gives thanks to God.
Just as the high priests of Israel served at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven, so the days associated by the rotation of the earth may be copies and shadows of the days distinguished by God in the Genesis creation record. The human and the temporal are always copies and shadows of the divine and the eternal, not vice versa. The seven days of our calendar week follow God's established pattern. His "work week" gives us a human-like picture we can grasp.
This communication tool is common in the Bible. Scripture frequently speaks of God's hand, eyes, arm, even wings. The context in each case makes clear that these descriptions are not to be taken concretely. Rather, each word presents a picture to help us understand spiritual reality about God and His relationship to us. Such usage in no way negates these words truthfulness.
The difference is not simply one of a "literal" versus "figurative" interpretation. Literal interpretation, properly understood, is a method of interpretation that gives full weight to all aspects of a passage's context, including the immediate textual context, the literary genre of the passage, the way words were used in the culture, the historical setting and purpose of the text, and the broader theological context. The suggestion of a pattern here is not a gratuitously figurative or symbolic interpretation of God's creative week but rather a recognition of anthropomorphism commonly used elsewhere in Scripture to describe God and His relationship to creation, including His creatures. The analogy of our Sabbath to God's rest does not demand a creation week of seven 24-hour days. Age-long creation days fit the analogy equally well.
And in regards to Exodus 20:11, this verse is just one of five in the Pentateuch that addresses the fourth commandment.
1. Exodus 20:8-11
(8) "Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy.
(9) Six days you are to labor and do all your work,
(10) but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. You are not to do any work, neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your livestock, nor the alien who is within your gates,
(11) because the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them, in six days, then he rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
2. Exodus 31:12-17
(12) The LORD told Moses,
(13) "You are to speak to the Israelis: 'You are to surely observe my Sabbaths because it's a sign between me and you from generation to generation, so you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
(14) You are to observe the Sabbath, because it's holy for you. Whoever profanes it shall surely die; indeed, whoever does work on it is to be cut off from among his people.
(15) Work may be done for six days, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does work on the Sabbath shall surely die.
(16) The Israelis shall keep the Sabbath to make the Sabbath observance a perpetual covenant from generation to generation.
(17) It is a sign forever between me and the Israelis, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'"
3. Exodus 35:1-3
(1) Moses assembled the entire congregation of the Israelis and told them, "These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do:
(2) For six days work is to be done, but on the seventh day you are to have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest in dedication to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day is to be executed.
(3) You are not to light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath."
4. Leviticus 23:1-3
(1) The LORD spoke to Moses,
(2) Tell the Israelis, "These are my feast times appointed by the LORD that you are to declare as sacred assemblies.
(3) Six days you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a sacred assembly. You are not to do any work. It's a Sabbath to the LORD wherever you live.
5. Deuteronomy 5:12-15
(12) "Keep the Sabbath day holy, just as the LORD your God commanded.
(13) Six days you are to labor and do all your work,
(14) but the seventh day is a Sabbath for the LORD your God. You are not to do any work: neither you, your children, your male and female servants, your oxen and donkeys, all your livestock, as well as the foreigners who live among you, so that your male and female servants may rest as you do.
(15) Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, but the LORD your God brought you out from there with great power and a show of force. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
For three of these passages (Exodus 35:2; Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:12-15), no connection at all is drawn between God's work week and humanity's. For the remaining two passages, the 'proof' would hold only if neither the word for 'day' nor the word for 'Sabbath' were ever used with reference to any time period other than 24 hours.
In all five passages, the Sabbath rest for humanity is referred to as "...a Sabbath...", indicating that there may be more than one kind of Sabbath. Hebrew scholar Gleason Archer noted, "By no means does this [Exodus 20:9–11] demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six days, any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days." - Gleason L. Archer, "A Response to the Trustworthiness of Scripture in Areas Relating to Natural Science", in Hermeneutics, Inerrancy, and the Bible.
Sometimes the Sabbath is a full year, as in Leviticus 25:4, where God commands a 12-month rest period for agricultural land. Sabbaths for God's physical creation appear to be related to the biological limits of His creatures. Thus, a 24-hour rest period every seven calendar days is appropriate for humans, while a 12-month rest period every seven years is best for agricultural fields. Since God is not subject to biological limits, His "rest" period can be of any duration He chooses. The reference to a Sabbath seems to be a reference to the pattern of one out of seven, not its precise duration as part of the creation days. Therefore, the creation days need not be interpreted, based on the Exodus 20 passage, as 24-hour periods.
The apostle Paul made a similar point. When some Christians tried to enforce a particular day as the Sabbath, he wrote that believers should honor a Sabbath, but with the freedom to consider any day of the week as a rest period.
Romans 14:5-6
(5) One person decides in favor of one day over another, while another person decides that all days are the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind:
(6) The one who observes a special day, observes it to honor the Lord. The one who eats, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God. And the one who does not eat, refrains from eating to honor the Lord; yet he, too, gives thanks to God.
Just as the high priests of Israel served at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven, so the days associated by the rotation of the earth may be copies and shadows of the days distinguished by God in the Genesis creation record. The human and the temporal are always copies and shadows of the divine and the eternal, not vice versa. The seven days of our calendar week follow God's established pattern. His "work week" gives us a human-like picture we can grasp.
This communication tool is common in the Bible. Scripture frequently speaks of God's hand, eyes, arm, even wings. The context in each case makes clear that these descriptions are not to be taken concretely. Rather, each word presents a picture to help us understand spiritual reality about God and His relationship to us. Such usage in no way negates these words truthfulness.
The difference is not simply one of a "literal" versus "figurative" interpretation. Literal interpretation, properly understood, is a method of interpretation that gives full weight to all aspects of a passage's context, including the immediate textual context, the literary genre of the passage, the way words were used in the culture, the historical setting and purpose of the text, and the broader theological context. The suggestion of a pattern here is not a gratuitously figurative or symbolic interpretation of God's creative week but rather a recognition of anthropomorphism commonly used elsewhere in Scripture to describe God and His relationship to creation, including His creatures. The analogy of our Sabbath to God's rest does not demand a creation week of seven 24-hour days. Age-long creation days fit the analogy equally well.
Actually I take a completely different view (though I am prominently Old-Earth).
Genesis 1:5-31
(5) The twilight and the dawn were day one.
(8) The twilight and the dawn were the second day.
(13) The twilight and the dawn were the third day.
(19) The twilight and the dawn were the fourth day.
(23) The twilight and the dawn were the fifth day.
(31) The twilight and the dawn were the sixth day.
I have purposely rendered עֶ֥רֶב and בֹ֖קֶר "twilight" and "dawn", because they have roots that ultimately mean "chaos" and "order".
I like to think of Genesis 1 as an engineers rundown of his creation, towards a lay person. It is peculiar that עֶ֥רֶב and בֹ֖קֶר do not appear for the seventh day, because I believe Genesis 1 is talking about an 'entropy' step towards the ultimately creation - mankind.
The entire creation act was broken down into 'six' steps, or order of events. I believe God created, and 'stretched' the heavens, as we see today in big bang cosmology. I believe God did this instantly. But I also believe that God, in explaining creation for us, decided to use a systematic approach for us to understand step by step, his glorious creative act.
And why doesn't עֶ֥רֶב and בֹ֖קֶר appear in the seventh day? Because there is nothing more to create! There is no more 'chaos' to 'order'. Mankind is God's ultimate creation. Thus, he 'ends' his work and is 'refreshed' on the seventh day.
Genesis 1:5-31
(5) The twilight and the dawn were day one.
(8) The twilight and the dawn were the second day.
(13) The twilight and the dawn were the third day.
(19) The twilight and the dawn were the fourth day.
(23) The twilight and the dawn were the fifth day.
(31) The twilight and the dawn were the sixth day.
I have purposely rendered עֶ֥רֶב and בֹ֖קֶר "twilight" and "dawn", because they have roots that ultimately mean "chaos" and "order".
I like to think of Genesis 1 as an engineers rundown of his creation, towards a lay person. It is peculiar that עֶ֥רֶב and בֹ֖קֶר do not appear for the seventh day, because I believe Genesis 1 is talking about an 'entropy' step towards the ultimately creation - mankind.
The entire creation act was broken down into 'six' steps, or order of events. I believe God created, and 'stretched' the heavens, as we see today in big bang cosmology. I believe God did this instantly. But I also believe that God, in explaining creation for us, decided to use a systematic approach for us to understand step by step, his glorious creative act.
And why doesn't עֶ֥רֶב and בֹ֖קֶר appear in the seventh day? Because there is nothing more to create! There is no more 'chaos' to 'order'. Mankind is God's ultimate creation. Thus, he 'ends' his work and is 'refreshed' on the seventh day.
Quite possibly! As I mentioned in my previous post, everything in the Tanakh is a 'type' or a 'shadow' for the things to come.
Since Christ is now our Sabbath, that means every breath we take should be dedicated towards Him. We are no longer obligated to follow a specific day. Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, and He has liberated us to serve Him.
Therefore I have no quarrel in quoting this verse...
Revelation 21:23
(23) The city doesn't need any sun or moon to give it light, because the glory of God gave it light, and the lamb was its lamp.
And isn't it a wonder that Isaiah prophesied this!
Isaiah 24:21-23
(21) "And it will come about at that time, the LORD will punish the armies of the exalted ones in the heavens, and the rulers of the earth on earth.
(22) They will be herded together into the Pit; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be punished.
(23) Then the moon will be embarrassed and the sun ashamed, for the LORD of the Heavenly Armies will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem; and in the presence of its elders there will be glory."
Isaiah 60:19-22
(19) "The sun will no longer be your light by day, nor for brightness will the moon shine on you by night—for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory.
(20) Your sun won't set, nor will your moon withdraw itself—for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning will end.
(21) Then your people will all be righteous; They'll possess the land forever. They are the shoot that the LORD planted, the works of his hands, so that I might be glorified.
(22) The least of them will become a thousand, and the smallest one a mighty nation. "I am the LORD; When the time is right, I will do this swiftly."
Since Christ is now our Sabbath, that means every breath we take should be dedicated towards Him. We are no longer obligated to follow a specific day. Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, and He has liberated us to serve Him.
Therefore I have no quarrel in quoting this verse...
Revelation 21:23
(23) The city doesn't need any sun or moon to give it light, because the glory of God gave it light, and the lamb was its lamp.
And isn't it a wonder that Isaiah prophesied this!
Isaiah 24:21-23
(21) "And it will come about at that time, the LORD will punish the armies of the exalted ones in the heavens, and the rulers of the earth on earth.
(22) They will be herded together into the Pit; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be punished.
(23) Then the moon will be embarrassed and the sun ashamed, for the LORD of the Heavenly Armies will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem; and in the presence of its elders there will be glory."
Isaiah 60:19-22
(19) "The sun will no longer be your light by day, nor for brightness will the moon shine on you by night—for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory.
(20) Your sun won't set, nor will your moon withdraw itself—for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning will end.
(21) Then your people will all be righteous; They'll possess the land forever. They are the shoot that the LORD planted, the works of his hands, so that I might be glorified.
(22) The least of them will become a thousand, and the smallest one a mighty nation. "I am the LORD; When the time is right, I will do this swiftly."
T
Yes, I am aware of the handful of scientists who reject evolution and accept creation. For every one scientist you can find, there are at least a hundred who understand evolution correctly, and accept it as truth.
There are "scientists" who believe that the earth is flat, despite the evidence to the contrary. There are "scientists" who insist that different races of humans are different species, despite all evidence to the contrary. There are even scientists who swear that Elvis is still alive.
I have no problem looking at what "experts" say who disagree with my point of view. In fact, I frequently seek out those with opposing views so that I can understand where they come from and why. My husband and I have very different ideas about many political issues.
The question is: can YOU listen to the opposing side? Are YOU willing to learn the theory of evolution, not from the scientists who reject it, but from those who accept it? Learning about evolution from people who reject it is like learning about Christianity from an atheist. Do you really think that's going to show you the whole picture?
There are "scientists" who believe that the earth is flat, despite the evidence to the contrary. There are "scientists" who insist that different races of humans are different species, despite all evidence to the contrary. There are even scientists who swear that Elvis is still alive.
I have no problem looking at what "experts" say who disagree with my point of view. In fact, I frequently seek out those with opposing views so that I can understand where they come from and why. My husband and I have very different ideas about many political issues.
The question is: can YOU listen to the opposing side? Are YOU willing to learn the theory of evolution, not from the scientists who reject it, but from those who accept it? Learning about evolution from people who reject it is like learning about Christianity from an atheist. Do you really think that's going to show you the whole picture?
T
Why do you insist that it is literal? When the literal meaning disagrees with all the evidence that God gives us, and the spiritual and metaphorical meanings are congruent not only with the whole of Scripture, but with the evidence that God gave us, why do you insist on clinging to a literal meaning that makes God out to be a trickster?
When Jesus said, "I am a vine and you are the branches," was that literal? Is it "over-spiritualizing" to decide that maybe Jesus isn't claiming affinity for the plant kingdom with that statement, and is using the statement purely metaphorically?
Since there are dozens -- maybe even hundreds -- of perfectly acceptable interpretations of Genesis that allow God to be honest that AREN'T literal, while a literal interpretation turns God into a liar, why do you insist on the literal?
Honestly. Why?
When Jesus said, "I am a vine and you are the branches," was that literal? Is it "over-spiritualizing" to decide that maybe Jesus isn't claiming affinity for the plant kingdom with that statement, and is using the statement purely metaphorically?
Since there are dozens -- maybe even hundreds -- of perfectly acceptable interpretations of Genesis that allow God to be honest that AREN'T literal, while a literal interpretation turns God into a liar, why do you insist on the literal?
Honestly. Why?
T
I go with the theory that God wrote a beautiful story, in words that His people could understand for the time He was telling it. It's just so obviously not intended to be taken literally, I mean seriously. When I read it for the first time, at the age of 5 or 6 (and was attending a church that taught literalism, by the way) it was clearly not intended to be taken literally.
Here's a parable:
You find a book with no title, no name, no evidence to tell you what kind of book it is. It might be a phone book, or a cook book, or a song book, or a fairy tale. How do you decipher what kind of book it is?
Answer: open it and read it.
If the first sentence is "Once upon a time...." all of a sudden you know what kind of book it is, right?
Read Genesis 1. Read it as if no one has ever told you that it's supposed to be literal or not. Read it completely open to whatever God says.
If you can do that, and still say that it's supposed to be literal, rather than a story, then all I can say is you're blind to the beauty that God speaks.
Seriously. I just don't get it.
Here's a parable:
You find a book with no title, no name, no evidence to tell you what kind of book it is. It might be a phone book, or a cook book, or a song book, or a fairy tale. How do you decipher what kind of book it is?
Answer: open it and read it.
If the first sentence is "Once upon a time...." all of a sudden you know what kind of book it is, right?
Read Genesis 1. Read it as if no one has ever told you that it's supposed to be literal or not. Read it completely open to whatever God says.
If you can do that, and still say that it's supposed to be literal, rather than a story, then all I can say is you're blind to the beauty that God speaks.
Seriously. I just don't get it.
L
If Jesus is our sabbath it will be shown by keeping His sabbath
Matthew 12:8
(8) For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
In the new earth it says there will be no need of the light of the sun it does not say there will be no sun
Revelation 21:23
(23) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isaiah 30:26
(26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
Matthew 12:8
(8) For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
In the new earth it says there will be no need of the light of the sun it does not say there will be no sun
Revelation 21:23
(23) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isaiah 30:26
(26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
I suppose it’s possible some parts of the Bible are figurative. 2 Peter 3:8 (RSV) says, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” I do not know and would not accuse someone of being ignorant simply because they believe this way or that.