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I agree with you 100%, and I will be praying.

Agreed in prayer too. In Jesus Name, Amen.

Heavenly Father I pray for the modern day church. Satan has not only set up camp in this nation he has been invited right here in the church. I pray for our churches in a mighty way Lord,in the name of Jesus, amen

I will be praying for those churches too. God bless

Ok, I have to slightly disagree here. The new testament doesn't say anything about homosexuals being horrid evil creatures. In fact, Corinthians 6:9–10 just lumps them in with all the other socially unacceptable behavior. Near the middle of the list, between adulterers and thieves, are the two Greek words translated in the New Revised Standard Version as “male prostitutes” (that is, homosexual male prostitutes) and “sodomites.” But no special emphasis is placed on these people.

In fact the strongest words in the new testament against gays from Jesus are “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)

And a saved Christian is succumbs to the lure of homosexuality is not immediately damned to hell. They can be a holy person fighting off a powerful desire. "For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish," Rom 7:19.


On a side note, homosexuality is one of those things in the Bible I don't completely agree with. But I am not going to clutter up all the things I think are wrong but the bible says we should do them anyway.


Outside of that, I do agree that pastors should not be appointed if they are openly active and unrepentant of any sin. I might have my arguments with religion, but as men that are chosen to voice that religion, they should follow the rules.

Clearly a tragic case of licentiousness and antinomian justification of sin. May God have mercy on His and may the unrepentant quickly receive their just due.

Study every word in (Rom 1:18-32). Don't just read it and have preconceived ideas about it, but study it until you are exhausted. If we are to live by every word of God in (Mt 4:4) we must study every word. When you study this passage you will begin to see some things that perhaps you have not seen before. It's going to take time but what you learn and the understanding you receive will be sound doctrine. Don't give up until you have studied it all the way through.

Paul said (in accordance with the law of God) that practising homosexuals are "worthy of death" (Rom.1:32).

Amen!

I have studied, I studied a lot. 1 year of Christian college, 3 years of religious studies, and 2 years in seminary school. Just because I don’t see what you see, doesn’t make me wrong.

According to the bible, all sin is worthy of death. Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”


Was Paul saying they deserved to be put to death, or they deserved death for the wages of their sin?
Yes of course I know there are plenty of things in the bible that are punishable by death. Murder, bestiality, rape, engaging in sodomy, picking up sticks on a Saturday, A betrothed woman who does not cry out while being raped, A woman who is found not to have been a virgin on the night of her wedding, worshipping other Gods, witchcraft, taking God’s name in vain, cursing a parent, and more. I am not trying to argue that the bible is against the actually penalty of death for sin.

That is eventually the eternal death, yes. But not all sins are worthy of timely death, this one is. Not all sins gives blood guilt, this one does. Not all sins are explicitly named as abominations, this one is.

Sure he was referring to the death penalty to show God's mind on this sin. Another thing with this particular sin which is far more controversial is the fact that it is mentioned as a sign of reprobation in Romans 1, something that God sends as a judgment/punishment on the unrepentant wicked by giving them over to a reprobate mind.

Praying in Jesus name amen...

How do we know who we are serving? Are we serving Christ? Or are we serving Satan? We know a tree by it's fruit. Those who sin are servants of sin.

The fruit of unrighteousness is listed below. If you have this fruit consistently showing up in your life or if you support those who do, then you are not in Christ, and you are going to hell. You are not to be sleeping. You are to be watchful and awake in the Spirit of the LORD.

If you die while you are in sin, you will go to hell. This is why Paul recommended for those who sin to be rebuked in front of the whole congregation that all may fear. This is serious and Satan knows how to deceive. We are not to use our liberty in Christ as a cloak to do evil.

This is even at the thought level! It's not just the actions that we do and the words that we speak, it's also pertaining to the thoughts we think. We are to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.

So, be terribly afraid and:

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves...

1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1 Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Tim 3:1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
2 Tim 3:2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Tim 3:3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
2 Tim 3:4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2 Tim 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!


1Cor 15:33 Stop being deceived: "Wicked friends lead to evil ends."

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings...

Rom 1:29 ...filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Mat 5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.


Mat 5:28 ...I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jas 4:17 ...to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

Rom 14:23 ...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Joh 8:34 ...Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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So, for anyone who has read this far, if this scares you, and you don't want to bear this kind of fruit anymore.... realize that YOU are BLESSED.

Read this post and the links provided on it and following:

. http://christianchat.com/prayer-requests/34467-no-one-cares.html#post598656

It will teach you how to stand on Christ and how to overcome temptation (Satan) by GOD's Word. Jesus will give you His right standing with GOD in exchange for your sin. (I capitalize GOD to show that I am talking about the GOD the Father - not to yell ). Jesus Christ is the Way out.

It's a little to read, so take your time.

This is what I pray for those who fear:

Heavenly Father,

I pray for those who want to turn from bearing corrupt fruit. I pray that they find their righteousness in You (confessing faith in Christ) and find freedom in a new relationship with a Loving Father to confess their sins (corrupt fruit) to as they walk with You maturing from faith to faith.

Let them examine their faith, daily. Let them turn from their unbelief, daily. Let them take up their cross, daily. Let them die to self, die to sin, and live to Christ, daily. Let them bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit 100 fold. Cover them with Your mercy and purge their conscience from dead works. Mature Christ in them to the point of being able to love their enemy, even to the point of being able to pray for those who would kill them to be forgiven. Perfect Love in all of our hearts. Let us love like You do.

In Jesus Name, Amen.


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If you are a person that attempts to justify this kind of fruit, and it does not scare you to continue bearing it, or if you justify others who to continue to bear it, then your destination, and theirs, is hell. As it is written. Don't fight with me about this. Fight with the LORD. A tree is known by it's fruit


This is what I pray for those who continue to bear corrupt fruit without fear or repentance, especially those who lead others to do the same, by word or example:

Heavenly Father,

For those who continually bear evil fruit without repentance, let them be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of their flesh that their spirit might be saved in the last day. Especially these pastors and those who call themselves believers and also those who support them. In Jesus Name, Amen.

...I know it blunt, but, someone has to say it and pray it.

May we serve Christ and not Sin, may we recognize who we are serving by the fruit in our lives. In Jesus Name, Amen.

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1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

homosexuality is a gross sin. God hate all sin but that one I beleive would be right up there among the top. God burned two city because of it and if any church will invite it into there pulepit you can rest asure that the Holy Spirit won't be there. You can white wash it all you want but God see through it.

I wonder if the ones that took pray out of our schools and put in sexeducation feels any guilt for what it did to our young people.

"Sexual sins of any kind are considered "abominations" to the Lord. See Leviticus 18: 18 - 30, paying particular attention to verses 27 - 30, which refer to "all these abominations" – after various kinds of sexual activities apart from marriage have been mentioned. A similar list is repeated in Leviticus 20, concluding that God's people ought not to do these things "after the manner of the nations which I cast out before you." We find that the levitical laws also forbade remarriages of divorced couples, calling such an act an "abomination." (Deuteronomy 24: 1 - 4) When we consider that Christ amplified these laws to include the lustful thought, who is without sin to cast the first stone?"

A list of six abominations are also given in proverbs, I can't recall which section off the top of my head though.


It was never my point to say the bible is cool with homosexuals, my point it that many people treat it like the worst sin a person can do. I don’t believe this is true.


Yes it is mentioned as a sign, but Rom 1. Give other causes as well, and I don’t believe puts homosexuality over any of the other sins mentioned there. Rom 26: 27 specifically mention homosexuality, but I don’t believe that most of the stuff you highlighted is strictly referring to it.


Sure, God hates all sin, but I do not believe that homosexuality would be “among the top”. It is only 1 of the many reasons 2 cities were burned.


“Neither the 10 Commandment which were given by God to appease Moses’ request for 7 x 70 = 490 Commandments or Moses’ own 613 Laws which he imposed on the Israelites as a result of he considered to be God's insult of giving the Israelists only 10 Commandments. Neither the 10 Commandments nor the 613 Laws of Moses say anything, hint or allude to anything like, “Thou shalt not engage in homosexual sex.”


And what has sexual education in schools hurt? Statistically, areas that teach abstinence only having higher teen pregnancy rates then areas that teach sexual education. And are you implying that sexual education is somehow making people homosexual?

I will be praying for this church and others who have separated themselves from the word of God and are preaching a false doctrine, as this clearly is. God Bless

Standing with you in prayer, in Jesus Name, Amen.

I get your point. There's no reason to single out homosexuality among the abominations. Indeed there are many other sins who also are grave, as indicated. However, there is reason to remind about the fact that it is a sin unto death, an abomination, a cause of blood guilt, a sign of reprobation (not necessarily so in general though). Some christian leaders today are reconsidering their view on practised homosexuality. After all, this thread deals with that very fact. We shall not therefore water this down in any wise.

It all was related to it. The abomination recorded in Rom.1 was sent as a judgment/punishment for their unthankfulness, vanity, foolishness and sin of idolatry, exchanging truth for lie. Interestingly it says "they did not like to retain God in their knowledge" (v.28). Verses 29-31 tells about their character.

Heavenly Father, I come before you today and ask you of a favor indeed. Many churches have fallen into the trap and chains of the homosexual communities. please father guide them all into the right path and show them what is truly of you father, you are great and good in every way Lord, and deep down in the bottom of my heart I know you will let this be know to your people. So now as us in this little community give you thank for everything that you provide for us father. forever in your name we all pray. AMEN.