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  1. J

    Not By Works

    You do not seem to understand what Chester is saying here. What I see in his comment is that he does not want to just be a sit back and do nothing Christian, he wants to be engaged. This is just as we all should be. I think you are looking for hidden meaning in his words and there is none.
  2. J

    Not By Works

    You do not seem to understand that the condition of salvation is faith in Christ Jesus. We are saved by Gods' grace because of our faith. Faith is not a work as you suggest and as the bible states. Gal_2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through...
  3. J

    A prayer for racist people

    That was not intended as a comment on the intellect just on the attitude of the people.
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    A prayer for racist people

    Because they are not the brightest of people. Mostly it is because they do not know anyone that is not like them. It does not matter what group, race, faith etc. for some people if your not one of us then your the enemy. That is just how closed minded some people are.
  5. J

    Matthew 22:37-40 and applying it today?

    >>At the last supper, Jesus asked his disciples/apostles, and I paraphrase, 'How can you say you love me if you don't obey my commandments. << Yes, you asked for the verse and when I showed Joh 14:15 you said it is not a quote. Of which his words or of the bible? Also when you said...
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    Matthew 22:37-40 and applying it today?

    Joh_14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
  7. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Just a couple of comments that came to mind as I read through your post. >>shouldn't WE ALL be trying to avoid any negative conflicts... Even though we can't see each other, shouldn't our conversation's be civil, full of love, peace, and HARMONY. which WE are suppose to be, ALL THE TIME as...
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    Matthew 22:37-40 and applying it today?

    Read Rom 7:1-25 and note the change in the tense used by Paul. Paul has been describing a past experience {Rom 7:7-13} in his life using the imperfect and aorist tenses. In relating his personal experience {Rom_7:14-25} Paul consistently uses the present tense to describe an experience he had...
  9. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Yes I agree that it is about Jews & Gentiles but you have to understand that it is not people groups that loose faith it is individuals within people groups.
  10. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I have had people call annihilationism eternal death that's why the comment. Spiritual death, separation from God, that is eternal.
  11. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    While some of the gentile can and will be cut off if they are unfaithful it is an individual cutting off not corporate. When we look at the text we see that. When you want to see who Paul was speaking to we have to step back to Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles... {plural} Rom 11:15 For...
  12. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Your going need to show where I have done all the things you purport that I have done. You love to cast aspersions on others with abandon but with no foundation. An apology would be to much to expect from you. >>I referred my answer to someone who said, paraphrasing them from memory, everyone...
  13. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    So now you are saying that those in hell do not suffer? Now you are promoting annihilationism?
  14. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    >>Not everyone everywhere who freely chooses....Only God's Elect. << You do not see the contradiction in what you just wrote? How many scriptures do you have to be shown before you will see that God expects us to make a choice to either accept or reject His son. >>He predestined whom he would...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Have to disagree as it is God that has made the requirement for salvation which is a free choice to accept or reject Christ Jesus. The only way that man is able to do so is because God in His mercy has given the free will to make that choice. If it we self will then that would mean that man...
  16. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    If you look at the text Rom 11:17-21 you can see that Paul was telling believing gentiles not to be so proud as they would be judged just like the Jews if they turned away from God as the Jews had.
  17. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    >>First off the bible never uses or teaches free will. Yes it absolutely teaches we have choice, but this idea of free will that you guys put forth doesn't exist<< The concept of mans' free will is found throughout scripture. This can be seen in the fact that the first man was condemned because...
  18. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    With your understanding of OSAS how do you deal with Rom 11:17-21. The branches broken off is Israel and this happened because of their lack of faith in God. If this could happen to them what is to say that God could not do the same to any unbelieving gentiles. Just because you once trusted in...
  19. J

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Please see my post # 710
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I fully agree that every child of God has eternal life but that is not the question here is it? The question before us is can a person that has placed their faith in Christ Jesus at some latter date repudiate said faith and thus be cast aside. When you say eternal life is still eternal I can...