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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Amen!! Good points! Let God be true and every man a liar.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Because the Bible does not teach that people can only repent if they are already saved. Show me the scripture that says that. Peter told the Jews in Acts 2 to repent and they were not saved! They were the ones who crucified Jesus! It does not matter what you think about Simon’s ability to...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Jesus is speaking to his apostles! Read the context all the way back to chapter 13:22 and through chapter 15. Most of the things he says in these chapters can be applied to everyone but some cannot. Like verse 27, Jesus says “you have been with me from the beginning.” Have YOU BEEN WITH...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I think your mistake is in not making a difference between a life of unrepented sin and a sin that you repent of. In Acts 8, Simon the Sorcerer had just believed and was baptized, (saved) when he sinned by thinking he could buy the Holy Spirit. Peter told him”your money PERISH with you. Then...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Roman’s 6 is talking to Christian’s who according to verses 3-4 had been baptized into Christ. He says in verse 6 that they had been @slaves to sin”. But they were “NO LONGER SLAVES TO SIN.” Paul says they HAD BEEN SLAVES TO SIN. If they did not have “free will” they could not have CHANGED FROM...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Why are you so focused on the fruit. It can’t be any plainer. Just read what Jesus said— verse 4- you abide in me; because the branch ( that’s us) CAN NOT bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine! Neither can YOU bear fruit unless YOU abide or STAY in the vine WHO IS CHRIST. If you...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Let’s look at John 10:22-31. the argument has been made on this site that the saved cannot be lost because Jesus says in verse 28 that He gives His sheep eternal life and no one is able to snatch them out of His hand. That is absolutely true. However, that does not mean that WE cannot remove...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Yes, God is the one who “Cast them off” BUT the branch IS the one who decides to “Stay” or “ABIDE” in Him. He tells them to ABIDE IN HIM IN VERSE 4. (YOU) ABIDE IN ME… and the idea is, if you do, I will abide in you. It all depends on whether or not they are going to “ABIDE “. In Him. VERSE 6...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    No. I do not feel trapped and there is nothing in me that wants to “get out of salvation.” I am glad to be sealed with the Holy Spirit. But that has nothing to do with whether a person can FALL FROM GRACE. Galations 5:4 states specifically that YOU CAN FALL FROM GRACE. No one said anything...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    John 15 Verse 2- “Every branch “IN ME” the branches Jesus says are IN HIM! “Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit-“. So some people IN CHRIST are not living good lives. “Every branch (PEOPLE) IN ME (saved) that does not bear fruit (sinful) HE TAKES AWAY. AWAY FROM WHERE? Away from...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    As long as we have “free will” we can choose to remove ourselves from God. Otherwise, we are FORCED to be saved whether we want to or not. God wants people to be WILLING servants, not HELD AGAINST OUR WILL. The saved in the New Testanent who FELL AWAY, fell away because of their own choices...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    That is the point! When they fall into sin and reject Christ they are NOT saved when they are in that state. Who gives YOU the right to say they were NEVER SAVED IN THE Frst PLACE? Did God tell you that? Do you read those words inHebrews 6– ANYWHERE? Well, if God didn’t say so and Hebrews...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Really?? Hebrews 6:4-6 is “talking about it is impossible to be born again after being born again?????” I think I have reached Matthew 7:6. folks. Those who want the “truth” can clearly “see” the truth of God’s word. Those who don’t want to “see”, never will. They be blind leaders of the...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    You have nothing in the scriptures that says the “partaking of the Holy Spirit does not mean in dwelling of the Holy Spirit.” How do you know that? Does God say that ? No. That is just your opinion; your idea and a way to “get around “ a fact that would destroy your man made doctrine...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    It was The Holy Spirit who said they had been partakers of Him. Not me. Can an unsaved person have the Holy Spirit?? Is that what you believe? You are saying an UNSAVED person, who is living in sin, has never repented of his sins, has never confessed Christ, who we don’t know if they even...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    It has always seemed a very convenient doctrine to me to say of the Christian’s who return to sin, “ They never had truly saving faith anyway.” WASN'T it YOU, who said to me, “ I have grave doubts that anyone here is of the caliber of deity, for even Satan himself can’t see into the hearts...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Have you read Hebrews 6:4-6? “For it is IMPOSSIBLE, for those who were once ENLIGHTENED, and have TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and have become PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT and have TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD , and the powers of the age to come, if THEY FALL AWAY, to renew them again to repentance...