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How do you come to this conclusion?

If a person was saved from the curse of the Law before they were born, how can it be said that “ the scripture concluded all to be under sin…”. How is it that all people were concluded to be under sin by the scripture? See Romans 3:19.

Galatians 3:23-24- when was a person set free from the Law?

See also Galatians 3

Read Romans 7-8 carefully. When did we die/were set free from the Law?

The point being addressed is “does justification happen before faith”, not can one who Christ died for be lost. Why are you coming up with a new topic?

If I’m being dishonest, prove it. Here’s your chance. You tell me why you said “they were justified while they were ungodly, therefore it follows that they were justified before they believed? “. By what logic do you come to that conclusion?

As a non Calvinist that knows many fine Calvinists, I agree.

@brightfame52 two questions on Romans 8:1 1. Who does Romans 8:1 say is free from all condemnation? 2. When does a person get in Christ?

Your stated argument. a. Justified while ungodly OF NECESSITY equals Justification before faith b. The unstated proposition, but which logically follows from your reasoning is that Ungodly people cannot believe. So only godly people can believe? C. Then it follows logically that you are...

I can follow the flow of a passage or book. You don’t even try to follow the flow. You amputate verses off of chapters and books.

Romans 7 follows Romans 1-6, where Paul first lays out a. Universal sin and guilt of all man. (Chapters 1-2). b. Justification by Christ’s death. (Romans 3. c. Justification by faith Romans 4. d. Peace with God through faith. Romans 5 first half. e. Life in Christ instead of death in Adam...

I believe Galatians 3 from beginning to end (including verse 13). . You only believe in verse 13. What about verse 8 that says “and the scripture foreknowing that God would JUSTIFY the heathen THROUGH FAITH preached before the Gospel to Abram, saying in you shall all nations be blessed. Exegete...

I do believe that we are redeemed by Christ’s death. I do not believe your non sequitur that because we were redeemed by Christ’s death it necessarily follows that we were justified before we believed. In fact, the entire chapter three of Galatians is about being justified by faith, not by the Law.

And You said they were justified while ungodly (true), so it must have been before they believed. Why does the fact that they were they were justified while ungodly necessarily mean they had not believed? God gives the gift of faith to the ungodly so that they might believe and through faith...

So you were godly BEFORE you believed????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a. Your argument is that since they were justified while ungodly, it had to be before they believed. So you have to be godly before you can believe. b. Following this line of reason, one is godly before they believe. c. So you were...

The people who Christ redeemed were at one point in their life shut up under the Law. Verse 23. They were shut up under the Law until Christ came THAT THEY MIGHT BE (purpose) JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. (verse 24) Flow of text. Context. Follow the flow!

So if you were justified before you were born, what were you saved from when you believed?

not only do you not understand Galatians 3:13, you haven’t the foggiest notion of what the book of Galatians is about. The third chapter of Galatians. (and the entire book) is a contrast between the false path of seeking to be saved through law keeping and the right teaching of salvation by...

Just cut out verses 1-12 and 14 to end, right? Do you even know what Paul is talking about in the context of Galatians 3?