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No that is incorrect, if thats what you think then your both wrong. The second coming and the rapture cannot happen at the same time that's impossible. How can Christ take His bride to his father's house and return to Earth at the same time, doesn't make any sense. Weird doctrine to say the least.

I know but thats not what he said, he seams to be confused. It was the post-tribbers the coined the term.

Well since you came out of the closet and admitted to your doctrine , please explain what you mean by "secret" rapture. we are all ears. The rest of what you wrote is nothing but unsupported propaganda. So now you think the word "rapture" is in the English Bible ? News flash for you, the bible...

No, all of what you just said is false post-trib propaganda doctrine. The second coming is not the "blessed hope" i.e rapture, it is the time of judgement/battle not a time of joy.

Have to ask one of the post-tribbers they came came up with that strawman argument . Pre-tribbers never said that post-tribbers did. If you are a post-tribber please explain this.

If you think we are already in the great tribulation you need to go read and study the book of Revelation. There are more than just the 7 trumpet judgements for starters and theres going to be no other time like it every in the history of the world. The bible makes this clear.

I agree somewhat, but its the timing the debate is over. Yes it was the post-tribbers that came up with the "secret" rapture as part of their false belief system.

Supporting scriptures ?

Interesting. Most would agree that they are the redeemed from the Earth/nations since thats what they say when they cast down their crowns before the throne of God. Whether they are all both kings and priests isn't so certain, could it be that 12 are kings and 12 are priests ? Also wasn't the...

What "people" did John see ?

Exactly my thoughts, and its my belief that those same "Elders" are there right now seated around the throne and have that position eternally. But this raises another question, if they are already there , when and where did they get their crowns ?

I see what your saying but its bin said that this isn't necessarily the same John, i.e one of the original 12, but may very well be.

Blanket statements with bogus facts. " No one i know" oh so i guess we should take your word for it since you know the vast majority of vaccinated people. Give us a break.

Yes exactly , Luke 6:13 was the verse i was thinking of but could not find it, thank you. The general conscensus is that 12 are the apostles chosen by Christ, as to the other 12 its not so certain. whether they are all "beasts" or 'living creatures" opens another area of discussion. Some may...

No, but we can speculate.

Yes i've read somewhere that 12 could be old testament prophets, but there are 16 prophetic books mentioned in the old testament. 4 are considered major prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel. The remaining 12 being Hosea, Joel , Amos , Obadiah , Jonah , Micah , Nahum , Habakkuk ...

If you think the mark of the beast will be easy to see you will be a very easy target for deception when it comes out. Practically everyone you talk to knows about the number 666 saved or not, they call it the "Devil's number", you can be sure they'd reject it out right . Just as Satan deceived...

In Revelation 4:4 John speaks of 24 Elders seated around the Throne of God, clothed in white raiment and on their heads crowns of gold. Its been said that 12 of them are most likely the apostles that were with Christ during His ministry on Earth and that 12 are the heads or fathers of each of...

Some were concerned that the vaccine was preventing pregnancy . Happened upon this utube video recently and thought i'd post a link here to maybe get some thoughts. Looks very unsettling .

Let me help you; Its called "the blessed hope" look it up. The reason why you dont see the word "Rapture" in your the Bible is cause it was not written in English, it was translated out of original Greek . This is basic scripture knowledge.