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If God loved you before creation, your salvation was planned before creation. I have a hard time explaining properly some of the more intricate implications. I'm sure there's plenty of questions. You were just "always saved"

You're the one who keeps implying you're You're welcome to block me. I'm just trying to get you to engage in the conversation. You're not using anything in context of what I said. Do far all I've heard is "the Lutheran's got it wrong" which yes, they did. It doesn't make my point invalid.

Before I go on, are you insinuating that I don't believe in the perseverance of the saints? Calvinists usually end up dropping the first two letters this day and age. So I don't say "once saved" it implies a moment in time "before God loved me"which there isn't. My BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE taught me that.

Oh, nope, nothing. Just inviting machinists to talk shop.

addendum, unless those are your points @VCO aren't actually arguing with me on my views of biblical education.

I have contentions with your extra biblical Revelation testimony, but since I've neither voiced them nor offered them, your statement has nothing to contribute against what I said to you. So I'm not sure at all what "point" you're trying to make. That you're so close to God you never had to...

I'm certainly in agreement.

Additionally don't feel pushed into it. I enjoy friendly debates with people who can challenge the way I think. But you're by no means obligated.

Sounds fair.

Okay, so I did. I went and started a thread.

I have no idea how to start a thread for machinists, so I thought I'd paraphrase Martin Luther.

Speaking of threads are we debating the indoctrination/education thing? Or did my amendment satisfy your requirements?

Do they have a place for a thread like that? Hmm... I wonder.

Wow.... I must be in the right place.

I'm unsure as to whether I should take that as a compliment or not.... I'm a machinist.

Additionally, since you hadn't reacted yet, I was obviously talking about past experiences, years and years ago, when I used the word "smashed" and not talking about you. Don't take everything so personally.

I'm not about to insult your testimony. And I never implied a man could be saved with only knowledge. But to cut it out entirely and view it as not a part of the whole is equally as foolish. The Heidelberg catechism is not the Bible, it's a tool to teach children to read and understand the...

The debate climate has always been a bit volatile. People come here, wanting to sound brilliant and react badly when that dream is smashed.

I meant belated welcome...

Oh, it's not that I'm afraid of being outwitted, I just don't like keeping up with the white rapid movement of online debate, and I'm trying to be more selective about where and with whom I devote my time online. And thank you for the belated invite😉 I'm an off and onner. It changes a little bit...