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I'm curious here, after reading so many pages of this thread, and the very focused attack and hatred of Calvinist doctrine. Who here calls themselves Calvinist? I only ask this because I'm very curious who here even calls themselves this. I have been accused of being a "Calvinist" myself, yet...

Cliff is awesome, and I know his presentation well. What he means is he follows the teachings of Jesus, not any "Christian institution teachings", or "Pop Christianity". We can go to church and do everything they suggest, and never open a bible to see what Jesus says and teaches. What Cliff is...

No I just wanted to make sure I was addressing what you are actually saying and not just what "I think" you're saying. I got it. So you believe being born again isn't being saved, but being placed on heavenly probation. We are saved and the whole weight of our salvation is placed on our...

LOL, there is no once saved always saved debunking scripture. What are you talking about? You believe the power of our God can bring a man back to spiritual life, reconcile us to Himself again making the man a WHOLE NEW creation, and then that can be taken back from us? That we can be "unborn...

Yeah but be real, you're here to sow division. Rom 13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who...

Didn't see one verse that says we are born sinless. A very blind position to have when you've been born again. or born of the spirit, and KNOW the truth. You know the thing that is repaired by Jesus righteousness, applied to us when we are born again, and can be justly because He took our...

1. ALL people are conceived in sin.- They are 2. ALL children are born children of wrath. We are 3. ALL are born unfit for any saving good. They are 4. ALL are born inclined to evil. We are 5. ALL are born dead in their sins. They are 6. ALL are born slaves to sin. We are Oh my goodness the...

They were setting dates, that's a no no, and if they are wrong then they are false. Why are you getting mad over his very true question?

The event that drew me into Truth was a motorcycle wreak that took all function from my right arm. This led me into a depression that had me thinking about killing myself every 5 minutes of every day for 2 years. At the time of the accident I was a false convert and thought I was a Christian. I...

To be fair, you seem to do just as good a job dividing from the other side as well. Criticizing people dividing, while being divisive. No irony there.

Nope, I was spiritually redeemed when I was born again. The fact you have such a problem with what I've said and these truths of the Spirit seem to completely evade you makes me question how "saved" you really are. These things I speak of are like salvation 101, the fact you think we are born...

Dang it, in the last part about it being unbelievable it should read "and we shouldn't rob it of any of this". Not should. I missed that even after proofreading. :eek::(

Jesus said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me", because God forsook Him. I do not understand why so many shy away from this, not why they would, but with open eye and in truth how they could. Do you not understand God's view on our sin? He is just, ALL sin must be punished, ALL sin. This...

Just mind blowing. It's honestly crazy. These guys could make any book " The Perfect and Complete Word of God" using these illogical tactics and the sloppy proof texting they use. Again it reminds me of Democrat tactics in the political field. They claim their belief is rock solid yet trying to...

I'm just not sure how to have a conversation with you. 10,000 words to say nothing. See I'll tell you very plainly what happens when we are born again. When we are born, we are born "in sin". This means that we are born with a dead spirit and disconnected from God. This is how every single...

So your answer is give up?

Wow, you didn't answer my very strait forward question. Typed all that to sidestep my main question. What does it mean to be born again? Can you not just tell me this with out a page of text? I'm asking you Christian to Christian, what does being born again "do" to us. Not what we do to get...

The way you look at this and present it, is just off in my opinion. You seem to think and believe that it's our will and power that we obey Him by. As if the weight of these things is on our shoulders, and like we get the credit and glory for this obedience. If I follow what you present as the...

It's hard, or I'd even say impossible, for those outside of Christ to understand these verses fully in truth. In truth those who are in Jesus WILL do His will. What this "Lord, Lord" verse means is that just because you say "Lord, Lord" does not mean you're saved, those who are saved WILL be...

Who said this? The only problem I have with the King James Only cult ideology is the raising up of a version of His word to the point of making it an idol. This standard that YOU are lifting this version up to, is impossible for it to measure up to. You put this "magical mysterious standard" on...