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Sorry about that.

And in what way would I have been presumptuous?

I agree but I wouldn't apply that to taking a vaccine.

But that's a pretty loaded term people thinking vaccines are "poisonous" and people put the pedal to the metal in wanting to have it expressed this way. If they were everyone taking vaccines would be dropping like flies. You know as well as I that hasn't happened. Could they effect certain...

Well ZNP if you agree then you missed my point. I argued that according to Mark 16: 7-18 that it wouldn't weaken such a person if they believe. ".....they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them..." Mk 16:18 Will not harm them means...

Let's assume Sophie that what you said is true. I'd say their genes are the same if they're believing Mk 16:17,18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; the will speak in new tongues, they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they...

And what if you're wrong? What if the future shows none of this was the case. Do you understand your insistence that this is true may result and it is right now in families being torn apart where many are telling family members don't ever come around again and people losing their jobs, jobs...

I read your whole post and you make some good points. We have never had absolute freedom to do what we want e.g. all the things you've said above. There is a difference though. It's one thing to let's call it be forced to have a drivers license or health card or many other things. We can't just...

But this doesn't answer the question what she did Penn. They said incitement. Is it that she had a web site saying various things. The one min video doesn't explain anything. What are the things she was publicly saying?

I'm thinking of certain things I never hear Christians talk about. What does it do to the Christian's ability to reach the world if they get offended at them for not taking a vaccine. All their potential influence....GONE. Jesus did say there are times we do things lest we offend them Matt...

So what exactly did this Monica do Penn? It's a 10 min video no time to watch it.

OK....and I've actually thought about that. If some really and truly do have a mental state that it would harm them....then to force a vaccination could actually cause them stress, worry, tension and anxiety.....perhaps even causing a heart attack. So is it fair to put such people under duress?

You need to consider though many don't believe a vaccine is helpful to their neighbor. They may be wrong but that's what they believe. They believe the best way to protect their neighbor is by being in some resistance. If they actually do believe it is helpful for the greater number but don't...

I've seen in other places people make this claim too. I think it's an unfair statement to make and it questions one's devotion to God. Not really fair. In Matt 17:24 Jesus was asked should he have to pay the temple tax. Actually Peter was asked this and Jesus talked to him about it later. After...

Not sure what you mean by this.

Sure it's because it's they who are involved. Oh it's fine to talk about all those people in Russia or China....duped by their state media and I grew up hearing if only the truth of matter could get into those people....to say it much the same here??? Oh you conspiracy theorists out there on the...

The question many would ask would be in what why do you support the vaccination? To the point that you're in favor of people being made to take it and the threat of loosing their jobs? To the point where people wouldn't even be allowed to go to the grocery store without being vaccinated?

How do you figure that? Even very pro-vaccine experts are acknowledging for some (we don't need to argue how many) but for some they might experience serious reactions to a vaccine and yes even die. So....did those people NEED this vaccine? I can't imagine how you could say they did.

As for me I'm not opposed to Christians taking medicine, having operations and things.....have had them myself. I do find it funny though that Jesus reproved unbelief in his disciples asking them many, many times, Where is your faith? and yet nobody, I mean NOBODY is allowed to ever ask that of...