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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    When you say, "but no evidence that he "prayed through" to salvation" how do you know that? You even admitted that "Saul spent 3 days in Damascus fasting and praying." So how do you know it was not praying for salvation? Also, as you stated, "Finally, Ananias came to him and told him to...
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    Abraham’s descendants - How many Gen 22:17

    Yes, Jesus Christ is from the seed of Abraham according to the flesh. Romans 9:4-5. Secondly, remember what Jesus said at John 8;58? "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." As a very interesting side note from Genesis 22;15-17, it was the angel of the Lord...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Please read my post #59 where I explain the Trinity with reason and logic. If you think about it God wants us to know all about Him. Now, granted there are mysteries within God and like He said, "His ways are not our ways." IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    Saved by faith alone. A surmised understanding?

    There are examples and Abraham is one of them read Hebrews 11. James 2 also mentions Abraham. And of course Ephesians 2:8-9. Do some homework because that's how you learn. Btw, God only has to speak once for it to be the truth. In other words even if there was only one verse on a given subject...
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    It Works Both Ways

    And? IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    It is virtually impossible that the Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel. He is however, the preincarnate Jesus Christ.

    Excellent analysis. I'm sure you know the Jw's believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel. But I'm not if you are aware of the fact that the Mormons believe Adam is Michael the archangel. The point is the fact you cannot compare or mix or match ontological beings that do not have the...
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    It is virtually impossible that The Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel or Jesus Christ is Michael as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

    Your right, I should not have used the word "virtually." I thought it meant totally impossible but it means "nearly or almost." impossible, I looked it up. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    It is virtually impossible that the Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel. He is however, the preincarnate Jesus Christ.

    The following is what I wrote about 15 years ago on this very subject. The angel of the Lord first appears as the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16:7. He says in the following verses that he will multiply Hagar's descendants at verse 10. At verse 13 Hagar says, "Thou art a God who sees; Have I...
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    It is virtually impossible that The Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel or Jesus Christ is Michael as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

    The following is what I wrote about 15 years ago on this subject. The angel of the Lord first appears as the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16:7. He says in the following verses that he will multiply Hagar's descendants, verse 10. At verse 13 Hagar says, "Thou art a God who sees; Have I even...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Actually that is incorrect, God the Father cannot be seen even according to Jesus Christ Himself. John 5:37, "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, NOR SEEN HIS FORM." John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Do you know where he physically appeared as God in the OT? I'm not talking about in the garden with Adam and Eve? It was at Genesis 16:7. IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, bluto
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    trinity is controversial?

    Then how are you going to learn? :eek: IN HIM, bluto
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    trinity is controversial?

    I was asking Zandar to check it out for himself because this is how you learn. You then come along with your"copy and paste" job that you've already pasted about 20 times and undermine my purpose. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    trinity is controversial?

    Did it ever occur to that the word "begotten" has more than one meaning, at least according to the Bible. If you don't"t believe me check it out for yourself. Do some homework, that's how you learn. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    trinity is controversial?

    Well, after reading this I might as well pick on you regarding the Trinity. No, I'm just kidding, I'm not going to pick on you but rather explain how the Bible teaches the Trinity. People say, (even here) that a person is "body, soul and spirit" implying that this has something to do with the...
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    trinity is controversial?

    That's fine, you have a right not to discuss what words mean in their context. However, God did say at Exodus 8, If you don't let my people go I will send swarms of flys to your house. If I were you it might be a good idea to consider getting some fly swatters. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    trinity is controversial?

    Ok, let me try it this way! Yeas ago there was a Roman Catholic apologist who said, "The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophical terms: actually the terms do not appear in the Bible." I said, "Oh Really...? Let's...
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    trinity is controversial?

    NO! Look up Luke 23:34 and please tell me if Jesus is praying to Himself? Or read John 12:27-28, who is He praying to here? I could provide other verses but these two will suffice. So, where in the Bible does the ONE God does pray to Himself? How about Genesis 1:26 or Genesis 11:7? Please...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Your just not getting it! The word "person" or "persons" does not mean "people." The ones that identifies the three persons of the Trinity as "people" are the cults, which include Unitarians. God is NOT people. Moreover, there is only ONE "being" of God who chose to reveal Himself as three...