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I was referring to your avoidance of saying that Biblical tongues was miraculous, and downplaying it by denying that some of the gifts listed in 1 Cor. 12:28 are not miraculous in nature, and claiming that my usage of the word 'miraculous' is confusing, compared to the term used in that passage...

You misunderstood the article about Bickle. He was admitting that 80% of prophecies were false. It appears to me that you want to be vague and mysterious about tongues. If the apostles spoke foreign languages without learning them, that is clearly miraculous. So, it appears to me you are...

There's lots of made-up 'history' among the P/Cs. I call it 'urban legends.' Yet, there are many who cite early church fathers saying those gifts ceased. Yet, the debate rages on... Are you trying to say that tongues is NOT miraculous? Based on your past responses, I'm sure you're not. So then...

This sounds like slander. Can you please give a link to this accusation?

All truth is God's truth. So historical truth is valid, and relates to what has actually happened. There are many truths not in scripture that we accept, based on tradition and history. But there is an implication in scripture that not everyone in the 1st Century had miraculous gifts, as related...

What? As if "our faith" requires a belief in modern tongues? You mention Judas having power to do miracles, yet Jesus called him "the son of perdition." Do you claim he was saved and filled with the Holy Spirit at the time? I already said that God can do anything He wants, even perform miracles...

Adam did die the same day he ate of the fruit - it was a spiritual death. And when Rom. 3:23 says "the wages of sin is death," it's talking about spiritual death. Just as Paul also wrote in Eph. 2:1 "and you were dead in trespasses and sins..." it's talking about spiritual death, that is...

Thank you for being honest, it's refreshing in a thread like this one. In my original post in this thread, I state that the debate over cessationism and continuationism doesn't get anywhere. (This post: https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227 ). I think there...

Parham is considered the father of the Pentecostal movement. So Azusa is his baby. And yes, you are misrepresenting me. But it appears you just want to argue, so I guess this is it.

I think I don't make much sense to you because you have a mental block, or you're not even trying to understand what I'm saying. If you're confused still at this point, then I'm at a loss as to how to get through to you. It appears to me that you not only fail to listen to what I'm saying, but...

I said this to you, because you claim you have the gift, and yet you continue to evade examination of it. And your idea that I should be courageous enough to "get one" - and I presume you mean "gift of tongues" - is an irrational idea, since I don't believe in modern tongues. You seem to have...

Lame excuses. Why don't you pray for interpretation? Why not see the forum as a church setting? Why not offer both interpretation and the evidence as a means to edify the churches? Are you fearful, or courageous? Are you lazy, or powerful? If you claim to operate in the power of the Holy Spirit...

I found only one recording: https://scholar.csl.edu/sem/Recorded_Seminars/Year/223/ I do not believe it is language. I get the idea you aren't even trying to understand what I said. I disagree with you, as I do not believe modern tongues is languages of angels. This is where our paths diverge...

https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2016/04/12/early-pentecostal-speaking-tongues-foreign-languages/ https://charlesasullivan.com/9179/pentecostal-missionary-tongues-crisis/ It would certainly be helpful if there was documented evidence of xenoglossia, and not just stories...

https://www.amazon.com/Tongues-men-angels-religious-Pentecostalism/dp/B0006C0R5U/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536757003&sr=1-2&keywords=tongues+of+men+and+angels

(Cont'd from previous post) I disagree. I say that your prejudice and your agenda is preventing you from acknowledging what Paul is actually saying. Like I said, our paths diverge here. You claim it's my bias that's the problem, I claim it's yours. For certain, we both have a bias and an...

All I'm asking for is one single case of xenoglossia documented. So far I haven't seen one. Your statement is a misrepresentation of what I said. I didn't say it was impossible, that's your language. What I said was that it wasn't Paul's meaning. And that most gibberish-speakers today claim...

Like I said, if you read the book I cited you might get a different opinion on the matter. He analyzed many tongues of P/Cs as well as other religions, and said they are all basically the same kind of pseudo-language that cannot convey meaning. He also said that anyone can do it if they try, and...

You accuse me of eisegesis, yet it's exactly what you're doing. Gouging out an eye and cutting off a hand is also possible, but do you see anyone doing it? What you're saying is nonsense.

A word or two in a certain language does not constitute speaking a language. It has been proven by linguists who have analyzed modern tongues that people are likely unconsciously remembering words they heard previously. Someone might speak a French word, or Belgian, or whatever, among the...