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(Cont'd from previous page) I'm a realist, and skeptical of testimonies from individuals involved in the movement. It's a conflict of interest, and whoever wants it to be languages will be biased in their evaluation. What is needed is objectivity and solid (forensic) evidence that can be...

Because Biblical tongues were languages that people understood. It means what the apostles spoke actually had structure and vocabulary that conveyed meaning. It is the meaning conveyed that proved the miraculous nature of it, and so Peter could say that the house of Cornelius had received the...

I assume you mean "Cessationism and Continuationism." Ok, I went ahead and posted there, although I don't expect any solutions, because I think that debate doesn't go anywhere. I read MacArthur's "Strange Fire" and Brown's "Authentic Fire," and neither of them get to the heart of the problem. I...

IMO the debate between cessationism and continuationism doesn't get anywhere because it doesn't address the heart of the issue. The real issue is the nature of tongues, and the fact that modern tongues is not the same thing as NT tongues. I have heard MacArthur's teaching on the issue, and I...

First of all, my stand (so far): I believe that modern Charismatic tongues is a human ability, not languages, and therefore contain no message. Therefore, it cannot be a gift of the Holy Spirit, since it's not miraculous. Further, any attempt at interpreting tongues is a feeble attempt at...

There's lots of threads in this forum. Which one are you talking about?

The way I read you is: someone claims that someone spoke in tongues, which was a language that someone else understood, and so you assume that what you're doing is the same thing, and therefore it is language. What a bunch of baloney. Too many assumptions which ultimately leads to urban legend...

I see you admitting that modern glossolalia is not language (by implication), and so it can't be evaluated by a linguist. I agree that glossolalic interpretation is not a translation, because the interpreter is getting the message out of his imagination, not from the actual glossolalia. I...

Brother, I agree with much of what you say here. If some people in this thread are attributing modern Pentecostal tongues to the devil, then I think they are wrong. I also agree that the abuses need to stop. I do understand that most Pentecostals are trying to obey Paul's instructions, and for...

How am I causing division? I merely disagree with the Pentecostal interpretation of tongues, which the OP of this thread addresses. I'm saying that modern tongues is not the same thing as what is described in the NT. I invited anyone to prove me wrong in this matter. How is this causing...

Actually, the link you provided proves you have NOT ANSWERED!! It seems that the more you reply, the more you prove my words true.

If you think I'm an unbeliever, then why not reply to me directly, instead of gossiping? But you don't know me at all if you haven't read my original post here: https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227 My point is, please ask questions before judging.

How does this answer my question? I'm asking about your tongues, not someone else's. It still appears you are evading the question. Here is more info on the root beginnings of modern tongues: Mary Campbell (1830, the Irvington movement) claimed to be speaking the language of the Pelew...

In fact, I spent about a 1/2 hour trying to find it. I reread about a twenty pages back and couldn't find it. I searched on "pastor" and "large church" and couldn't find it. How am I to take this if you don't find it and give the link, except to conclude that you didn't say it? How hard is it to...

It's from an unbelievers point of view, no it's not the truth. And no, your youtube vids and Dr Brown aren't proof. smh A historical record is not a point of view, unless you don't believe the historical record, then that would be your opinion. But in regard to facts, here is one link that...

You're avoiding the answer. I don't see where you did. Do you have a link to it?

Oh, BTW, the person that posted that isn't a believer. Nice that you would believe them, but not your brothers and sisters in Christ. Sad. I believe what's true, no matter who is saying it. Too bad you don't. Besides, my research corroborates it.

Do you believe your tongues is the same kind as what the apostles spoke in Acts 2? (yes/no)

Not sure what you mean by this. I find I can agree with some things he wrote, but like I said, he is fallible, unlike what the apostles wrote. I get the idea that the cessationist vs continuationist argument will never be resolved until Jesus comes, so I try to avoid it because it's an endless...

I don't understand your question. Tertullian may have had a novel idea called trinity, but it doesn't mean he was right about everything. The trouble with a certain denomination I won't mention is that they put way too much stock in what was written by the early church fathers past the 1st century.