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I believe that the symbolic Babylon of the end times is a wicked one-world order.

Welcome, John.

Why can’t you understand? I give up. :)

So who are the “ye” in Ephesians 1:13 @Magenta ? They are not the Elect; they are the free will folks. They are hearing the Gospel for the first time!

@Magenta Snippet from a Spurgeon sermon. But there are some who say, "It is hard for God to choose some and leave others." Now, I will ask you one question. Is there any of you here this morning who wishes to be holy, who wishes to be regenerate, to leave off sin and walk in holiness? "Yes...

@Magenta But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our...

@Magenta Who is the “ye” in verse 13?

@Magenta Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having...

That’s what I said and I’m sticking to it.

I agree. As in the apostle Paul.

Nah. I didn’t do no such thing. :)

ya sure? :)

Right. Because everyone thinks they’re right.

as in predestination?

Tee-hee. The problem is that everyone believes they know the truth.

Thank you kindly. :)

I believe that the Judgment seat of Christ happens when we die and go to heaven. Christ will judge us at this time. Consider the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The Great White Throne Judgment takes place after the Millennium and is the final judgment of God.

Yes. Two different judgments. Let’s go deeper. My understanding is that the Elect (chosen) have already been found “not guilty”—justified—saved. So, to me, this is saying that the Elect do not go through the Great White Throne Judgment. Now who are the Elect? I’m convinced it’s all who...

Feel free. It’s important for folks to understand this.

You know what? It would be extremely interesting for someone to start a thread regarding the two judgements written about in the Bible: the Judgment Seat of Christ Judgment and the Great White Throne Judgment.