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  1. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Satan teaches that the soul is imortal. but the bible tells us that only God has imortality. If you believe there is no death for peoples character and that life goes on in another form you have swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker. Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the...
  2. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    i was referring to the verses below for Enoch and Elijah. 2Ki 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal...... 2Ki 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I...
  3. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Can i understand your belief... is this how you understand it? = When a person dies their body goes to the grave and the disembodied spirit, or character of the person lives on in a spiritual form. both saved and unsaved. Soul is a term that has been twisted in its meaning so be careful...
  4. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    There are exceptions.... some people were raised when Jesus was raised.... God raised Moses, Elijah and Enoch are in heaven, we don't know how many God has raised as an exception but we know that the day of His coming is the time when the saved will be raised. and white robes can't be worn by...
  5. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    i agree They have one verse that can be explained, and hang their whole theory on it. The majority of Bible verses say that "the dead know nothing" and the theory of spiritualism is mixed through this disembodied spirit thinking which was invented in paganism, the devil. 2Th 2:9 Even him...
  6. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    could it be figurative like much of the Revelation is. The souls of the dead that are completely unconscious and completely dead are figuratively asking how long because all saints would want to come to be resurrected and be with Jesus, all that are alive ask how long until justice is served, So...
  7. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Yes by Adam we all are to die. Death, Death can be called sleep because we will be(have the promise of) waking up, Death is a sleep, rest in the grave. The bible is clear that we know nothing during that time. The raise saints will spend 1000 years with Christ in heaven. If we are already in...
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    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Is noah's life a witness to us today? Is the life of Abraham a witness for us today? Is the life of King Saul a witness for us today? Do they need to be alive today to be a witness?
  9. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    If people wish to believe the first lie of Satan and the evil theory of pagan nations they can. It is their choice. The dead know nothing. The theory that the dead are not really dead is a lie of the devil. The theory that the soul separates and continues to live is not found in the bible.
  10. TMS

    Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

    what did did Jesus say about the sabbath and the Ten commandments in the new testement = Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day...
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    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Witnesses do not need to be alive to be a witness. The bible is full of the witness of people that are dead. They have lived and died and there lives are a witness for those in the future. the example of the Good and bad peoples choices are a witness to me and we are blessed by this cloud of...
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    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Rev_16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. souls die.
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    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Soul = nephesh in old testament neh'-fesh From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-]...
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    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    there is a lot odf debate about sleep, rest, and death and when you you search the scripture you can work out the state by the context. The word is not the issue - it is what happen when we rest, sleep and die? Is death a state of complete unconsciousness or is the soul, spirit freed from...
  15. TMS

    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    Prove the definition of a soul from the bible.
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    Soul sleep is a false doctrine

    You can present the truth over and over again but if you don't have ears to hear it is useless. “The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7). Dust + Gods breath = a living being The body...
  17. TMS

    Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

    When Jesus was ministering there were so many Sabbath rules that it had become unbalanced and a burden on the people. The leaders thought that by keeping the sabbath holy they would be in Gods good books. Both Jesus and Paul wanted them to understand that it is about Christ and that we can't...
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    Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

    Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy...
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    Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

    Doing good is permitted on the sabbath, keeping it like Jesus did. Working works that are not needed like mowing the lawn or cleaning the house in ways that can wait till the next day, or making money from labour that does not need to be done that day is going against the sabbath commandment...
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    Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

    I agree with your points, except the point that the sabbath is no longer relavent. Of all the 10 commandments it is the only one that God said to remember and it isn't about honoring God each day or resting in Christ each day, we should do this regardless. It is about doing what God asked the...