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    Plan of Salvation

    It wouldn't let me change it anyhow. However there is a slot that asks when saved and I entered a date there, so people can see I am if they look past the "unsure" reply.
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    Plan of Salvation

    I'll go and change it. I may get crucified by some-- "That's not Christian!!!"-- but then I suppose I'll be in good company then.
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    Plan of Salvation

    And that is what the PoS is about, beginning the process. Preaching the word. Your posts were informative, and some like the short treatise on "eis," "into" I have talked about to more seasoned believers. But don't you think all that you wrote is a bit much for a PoS? I might include the info...
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    Plan of Salvation

    Great info. Thanks for doing the work and telling us. John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
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    The Gun Thread

    True, mostly. Both are force multipliers. And you can kill a lot of people with a knife before being taken down as well- provided no one there has a gun, of course. That said, I used to train for these scenarios. In close I'd rather have a knife. It cuts continually in any direction. I don't...
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    Plan of Salvation

    Great post!!! Hebrews of the 1st century and before though of salvation more in terms of physical salvation than spiritual. So this is one place where the NIV got it right. If you read those passages you will find many times they needed saving from some thing or some one or some circumstance. I...
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    Plan of Salvation

    That you cannot separate the first five books from the rest of the Bible is important. Without that, the foundation of the entire OT at least (just for a point of agreement) there is no salvation history and no Yeshua called Jesus. Yeshua means "salvation." No Torah and no OT, no Yeshua. Who...
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    Plan of Salvation

    We are getting a little off-topic, but I'll reply just this once. You are misinformed. You should have kept reading: Luke‬ ‭16:16-17 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is forcefully urged into it. 17 But it...
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    Plan of Salvation

    Not going to argue with you about it. This is a thread on the Plan of Salvation. Please stay on topic. If you don't, then do not expect a response from me.
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    Plan of Salvation

    Well, I was raised Southern Baptist, so I probably have some Calvinist tendencies. John C wasn't all wrong, but I do work on removing a lot of his influences from my life. Yeah, I work on that too, and pray for help every day. It's a work in progress.
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    Plan of Salvation

    Thanks. I have on my shelf in front of me an Interlinear which shows that. I also have a Strong's Concordance; Vines, Thayer, and Brown/Driver/Brigs Lexicons; dictionaries, Bibles, reference books ... and I have several pages bookmarked on my computer. I got that covered! Blue Letter Bible is...
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    Plan of Salvation

    I am one of those who believes the new did not cancel the old. And you do not "realize" what I, or apparently most here are saying. You like to argue. I believe God does not lie, then or now. I believe God does not change. He said it in the OT and in the NT. I believe salvation has been he...
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    Plan of Salvation

    My last brings up another question: Where should one look for scriptural references? I typically use both Old and New Testament references. I have made plans that just use one or the other (yes, I have an OT PoS, but I've never used it). The ones I have used cover the length and breadth of...
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    Plan of Salvation

    You absolutely cannot separate the two! God told Moses what to say. Moses, at the unction of "The Word" defined what is sin. Then that same Word came to provide a way for us as sinners. Without Moses and the knowledge of what sin is there would be no need for redemption. Without Torah...
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    Plan of Salvation

    "These are responses to having been given the gift of eternal life.. not the means by which it is given." I think what he is saying, and I agree is that works cannot save us. Only a repentant heart before a merciful God accomplishes that. The changes in our life and the works we do come after...
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    Plan of Salvation

    Thanks. I probably should change that. But the only options under "Spiritual Status" were: Christian not Christian (or not saved) Unsure Since I have on some things departed with mainstream Christianity, which gets a lot of pushback from many Christians, I am "unsure" of what to say to that...
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    Plan of Salvation

    I can agree with that last statement, "mercy is what every human needs to be saved because we have all sinned at some point we want to express the type of judgement Jesus taught mercy towards others and repentance towards our own self and actions." However the rest of your post focused on the...
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    Plan of Salvation

    I'll start: One thing I think gets left out a lot is repentance. In Hebrew that's "teshuvah," which means more than just being sorry, more than just turning away from your sin; it means turning back. RE-turning to that state Adam had when he walked with God in the Garden. Salvation is about...
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    Plan of Salvation

    What should be included in a good Plan of Salvation- what principles should be stressed? Why? What specific scriptures do you think best illustrate those principles? Why? What should not be included? Why not?
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    Understanding the “difficult” Old Testament rules

    "Laws" turn most people off, so characterizing Torah as "the law" means we've started from disadvantage. The first thing I do when anyone challenges me based on "the law" is correct that perception. Torah is "instructions" given as stories and examples, warnings, and yes some absolutes. Life has...