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But if you do not believe we recieve the Holy Spirit until we are baptized. And they were never baptized. They were never saved. again, you can not have it both ways. and your wrong. It is not scriptural. I received the HS the moment I was born again. I was baptized in water months later when...

this is the second thread in a month where the one who posted the thread said argument over. Or irrefutable evidence. Or whatever. It is also the second thread that caught my eye. But the OP failed to prove their point. In fact. He failed to even properly show what Jesus said in the chapter he...

Then you just PROVED. That water baptism is not required for salvation. If it was. Then your answer would be no. These people are nto saved. Saying it is up to God is just a cop out. Either baptism is required or it is not. You can not have it both ways. The fact is, God does baptize us with...

What if he dies before he was able to get baptized in water?

lol And I am playing word games? I was baptized into christ period. I was placed into christ By God himself. No water involved.

It is far deeper than that actually, yes it means to immerse it also had other meanings in the greek. In the example you give, the pickles were placed into the liquid.. I think of the words of paul where it says they were baptized into moses.. They were placed into Moses who was the head of...

would jesus contradict himself? It can not be water, or he would contradict himself its in Christ and his promise based on his death. Not in my pastor, or my works. No. because the greek word from whence it was transliterated from does not have water as its base meaning. A work of...

Silence? I mentioned John 3 (no water baptism) I mentioned John 6 (no water baptism) The only tie that I find water baptism to remission of sin, is that John demanded that people showed fruit of having recieved it. peter told those who have recieved it to get baptized. And they did. But hey...

If you mean baptised with the Holy Spirit, I agree. if you mean baptise in water. Your a false teacher. John 3. Whoever believes is not condemned, who ever does not believe is condemned already. is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who immerses you in water Baptize does not...

Your right, he did not Non of the apostles or jesus himself taught we are saved through water baptism. which you are implying.

Peter did not tell them to be baptized to recieve the gift of the spirit He told them to be baptized if they recieved remission of sin. thats why he told EVERYONE to repent. But only induviduals to be baptized. it would help to look deeper in the greek.

Salvation. Being born again, Receiving eternal life

Who says it is not a command and we should not do it? Now. Thinking this is what saves you. Thats another discussion

But water has nothing to do with it. so it can not be part of salvation. Do you even know what the word baptize means Oh wait. We have to go deeper. Because baptize is not even a native English word. It is a transliteration of a greek word (Baptizo) so if you want to the true defenition of the...

But it would be a false testimony I can not give a testimony of my faith in God and praise God for what he did for me, and how he changed my life. When he has not yet done it.

Well I have never heard it.. But as with all groups. There are extremists.. We should not attack a whole group because of a few extremists.. I mean think about it. Many churches in order to fight licentiousness preach legalism, and many churches in order to fight legalism promote...

I did not miss anything, I will ask you also. A person repents. Calls on the name of the lord to be saved, but for whatever reason is not water baptized for a few months after that person called out to God. Is that person saved?

Who? I know many people CLAIM it. But in my 40 years as a believer, I have never actually heard anyone say this, I have just heard people falsly accuse them of this. Water baptism is not a command in the law. So it can not be a work of the law (although the law did command Gentiles who were...

Water baptism? if it is, Why did Jesus in many conversations he had in the book of John never even mention it?

lets look at matt 28 1 Make disciples of all nations.. 2. Baptize THEM notice. They are disciples first. Then baptized. you Can not be a true disciple unless you are saved, and given the HS. so baptism follows the conversion it is not part of it as far as mark 16 goes. 1. It is...