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When you are blind, you can't see unless a doctor performs an operation that causes you to see. You could pretend you can see but it would be a bit ridiculous and of course it wouldn't be true. When you used to be a Christian, you were thinking God probably existed. You couldn't see for sure...

If more people could have this sensical approach, there could be less arguments and more discussion. There could be disagreement but not anger and frustration. Ah, but that would necessitate all having to admit that their views have some opinion in them...:D

Finally! Someone who believes differently than me who I KNOW I can ask for verses and I'll darn well get them! :) dcon, what are the verses that convince you that it must be ONLY one coming.

You know, I really DID need to read it again! I was remembering some of it wrongly. But I think you aren't really investing your whole mind in our conversation and may be kneejerking a little because I didn't say it was taking place on earth. I said he was asking to go and warn his brothers...

Yes, I remember -the rich man and lazarus. And the point I had made was that that story/parable deals with a man in torment, while on earth, people are going about their usual business. So it is not taking place in the timeframe of after the judgement. It is taking place in the timeframe of...

Okay, so...when you said you weren't there yet where you had ever healed anyone because it took a lot of faith and you just weren't there yet, you meant that you were referring to healing for yourself that you didn't have enough faith for, but that God tells you when to pray for someone elses...

It still isn't quite making sense to me. You said about healing that you weren't quite there yet because it required great faith to heal. Wouldn't it be more apt then, considering your above post, to say you can absolutely heal, you have the ability to do that, but because He has not given you...

Why must eternal be interpreted as existing? The twin towers fell. They will eternally remain destructed. They will not be resurrected. They cannot be pieced back together. They have been eternally destructed. They no longer exist. You easily grasp that some verses of prophecy refer to our...

Then...it would really read thus: and to another manifestation is given the manifestation of tongues...? You do not think the word another is referring to another person? That does not make sense in the English language PB...

Naw...not poking fun. Just trying to make a slight point. :) Now as to some of the gifts requiring greater faith, I suspect a side conversation will start up on that...

Pb, I think it's great that you have healed people of sicknesses and effected great miracles. That I do not agree with you on some things does not take away from my happiness that you have been given to do these things! :)

Another excellent post. You're on a roll. :)

And 1 cor12:29-30 is another witness to the verse we are talking about. The apostle says: Do all have the gift of healing, do all speak in tongues? etc, etc. The obvious answer is no. He has also previously asked: are all apostles? Again, the obvious answer is no. In fact, ALL of chapter 12...

I would say the two of you are in agreement then on this point.

Absolutely no one should say your salvation is dependant on your endtime beliefs. They should not say it about you, you should not say it about them, and all should learn to deal with some different interpretations of what is being read - scriptures.

The post of HRFTD that you quoted and said he had not quoted anyone, shows me that he has quoted locutus. I visibly see it. I think it was a glitch.

It's not exactly a claim I'm making tukee. It's my view, my understanding or interpretation of what I'm reading. I'm not saying I'm right and you're a wrong idjit. I'm sharing my take on it based on how I see the verses fitting together in some semblance of sense. And I'm never as certain as...

Could just be a glitch. :)

Those are some really good posts there EG. :) As always, I am okay with anyone having a different interpretation of the verses they are reading than I have. The one and only thing that bothers me concerning this...topic, is if someone tries to force someone else to walk in a gifting/manifest...

Not sure what your point is here. :)