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    Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

    1. Matthew 26:27-29 — Jesus’ Use of “Fruit of the Vine” and the Symbol of Purity “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not...
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    While blood can be the result of death, blood also exists inside our body even while we are alive. In fact, the life of the flesh is in the blood. According to the Bible, the blood actually symbolizes life and not death. Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have...
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    Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

    I believe the Israelite was allowed to drink fermented wine diluted with water. However, those under the New Covenant, this is more tricky. If a person's conscience does not see alcohol as a poison (Which it is), they can drink the Israelite form of wine that is diluted with water. Yet, on...
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    The English words "new wine" in the KJV can refer to either fresh grape juice or wine that is in the process of fermenting, depending on the context. When this wine was consumed for social gatherings, it would be diluted with water. In the case of Matthew 9:17, "new wine" refers to wine that...
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    I used to be more detached on the matter. I did not really have a reason to care. The world of politics used to be pretty boring. While I am not associated with any particular party, I do care for the state of our nation and want the best for it. I did not even vote. Also, I do realize both...
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    As for my mention 1 Corinthians 11:21 before: Well, it has been a while since I did this study. I was wrong on my initial response here on this verse. My old position on this verse is correct. Based on my previous study, the word “drunken” here is not referring to intoxication like we would...
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    Like many words in the Bible, they can have different meanings depending on the context. “New wine” can refer to either fresh unfermented grape juice like the “new wine” found in the cluster of the grape (Isaiah 65:8), or it can refer to newly fermented wine that is diluted with water like in...
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    Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

    I have discussed this topic on other forums over the past decade before. I believe it is worth a discussion and I am constantly learning on the topic as I revisit the topic with a fresh perspective. For example, my old position on 1 Corinthians 11:21 was that it was not referring to alcoholic...
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    Believe it or not, there are self-proclaimed Christians who are Democratic (or Left) and for the woke agenda. ...
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    Yes, I am aware of this. The Bible does sometimes mention certain things in both a positive way, and a negative way. This is nothing new to any student of the Bible. Here are a few other examples: Fire: Positive: Fire is often a symbol of God’s presence, purification, and guidance. For...
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    Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

    Again, both the Bible and history teach that the Israelites and other countries in the region had mixed their fermented wine with several parts of water. So it was mildly intoxicating but it was not like the wines you would buy today. So they bought wine fully fermented and mixed it with...
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    Scripture says the life of the flesh is in the blood. The blood symbolizes life and death. Jesus is life and death. …
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    Also, consider that highly intoxicating beverages generally do not have nutritional labels on them because they do not offer any nutritional value. They are in effect a mild poison that your immune system has to fight against. Are you comparing our Lord to such deadly beverages? Alcohol is...
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    Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

    Again, there is a difference between Israelite wine which is diluted with water (mildly intoxicating) vs the unfermented wine (grape juice) Jesus made (which is not intoxicating). Even the dictionary tells you wine can be either fermented or unfermented. Folks have to understand that Jesus is...
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    I don’t believe that is what the Bible says. In Proverbs 31:6-7, it gives specific guidance on the limited, compassionate use of strong drink, but this is not an endorsement of alcohol for coping with everyday grief or hardship. The passage says: “Give strong drink unto him that is ready to...
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    On a further note, I believe the Bible condemns drinking strong intoxicating beverages socially. The only exception was if somebody had a flesh wound or major injury from battle or something. ...
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    In ancient times, including among the Israelites and in Greco-Roman culture, wine was commonly diluted with water, often in a ratio of about 1 part wine to 2 or 3 parts water, or even more. This practice was meant to make the wine safer and more refreshing to drink, and also to avoid excessive...
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    By no means. Deuteronomy 14:26 says: "And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine...
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    Convince me there is non-alcoholic wine in the Bible/communion

    Well, I believe there was some slight dulling of the senses because the wine they drank was intoxicating but it was only mildly intoxicating in the fact that it was diluted with some level of water as per the practice in that region. The wine that Jesus made was pure grape juice (unfermented...
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    I believe the Bible teaches that there is righteous deception and bad deception. Bad deception involves flat out lies, and good deception does not. While most dictionaries give us the negative understanding of the word "deception," there is one that gives us a more broad term. Cambridge...