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Do you realize their are 8 scriptures in the bible that admonish us to "hold fast" to the gospel unto the end. The question is: if ES is immediate upon belief, why must we "hold fast" until the end. If our EL is guaranteed, why must we "hold fast" to the things we have learned until the end...

I agree, keep pointing to Jesus and praying.

This is a sentence of death by Jesus Christ that the church of Ephesus either repent and get back on the path, or their candlestick will be removed from the 7 candlesticks. It cannot be more clear. Repent or be removed out of the book of Life. Any other interpretation is just twisting to get...

How wide the path is tho EL is not the subject matter of the parable of the sower. But thanks anyway. The subject matter is: there are some who hear the word but before they can believe they are distracted away. There are those who receive the word and believe it (and according to you should...

Many scriptures seem to have us believe in ES. But too many scriptures that obliterate ES. I have decided to believe in Christ and do what he says. Hope that is not an evil approach to salvation.

We have all read this many times. It boils down to Jesus speaking to believers and he sees their good works, and he sees that they have also left their first love, which is him and the gospel. So unless they repent, these believers will be removed. Looks like they did not repent because...

You are right on target. Thanks

I believe all those scriptures, but I also believe the scriptures that tell us to be water baptized by full immersion. I'm not sure why you are so angry that I feel that water baptism is necessary for salvation. We all do it, so what is the difficulty? Why must you emphsize that it is not...

Is that right? Now you say a person can believe but not have faith. I thought that the second you believe you are saved and faith is immediately imputed to you, and that the righteousness of Christ is immediately imputed to you so that you have ES immediately and forever. Now you change...

After Jesus was resurrected he returned and taught his apostles for X days. At the end of this time, he gave them his final instructions and that was to teach and baptize. Hard to ignore. I am suggesting that all the words of Jesus you must keep. Is that surprizing to you???? It is just a...

This is just 1 of many, which I know you are aware of: Revelations 2: 1-5 2 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy...

So if ES is a real thing, why does Jesus tell us to repent or we will be out?

You said I do not know how to divide out the law of Moses vs grace scriptures. So my question is a ligitimate one. How do you divide out Jesus's words that sound like law of Moses scriptures? If you say you do not do that, then what do you do with his words that demand good works?

These are great scriptures and I believe every one of them. Thank you.

Then what do you do with Jesus's words that you divide out because you think they sound like the law of Moses words?

The usual answer is they were never saved in the first place, or they that went out from us were never part of us. Get ready for that kind of response.

Then do you divide those words off into obsurity?

Can't take your own words I see?

So if Jesus adds on, you can ignore his words? Good dividing, just ignore.

I see. So if Jesus says whosoever believes in me shall be saved, then thats it. If he says later, whosoever believeth in me and is baptized will be saved, you can ignore the baptism part of it as divided out of what it really means to be saved. (one small problem, when did he say believe...