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Exactly, if God eliminated free will, and it was His will that pervaded everything we do, He would not be able to judge us. No judgement, no heaven or hell. Just a frustrated creation.

You are right. To me free will is the centerpiece of who God is.

We agree. Hurray. Thanks for these examples. Right on target.

So God's perfect wil, wills that some do not believe in him? I don't think so. Free will is the centerpiece of Godhood. Without the ability to choose, you become nothing more than a puppet of God. And if you believe that, then you believe that God wills good things on some and He wills evil...

It is VCO who has set up a strawman. Jesus made it very clear that this cerimony is to be accomplished in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the HS. If you wish not to participate, then you have your free agency, but to kick against it, I don't know why you would do that, with all...

If Christ gives everything, what is your responsiblibity?

He does finally require perfection. But he does not require perfection in this earthlife. Perfection will come later, when we are resurrected and Jesus, through his grace, will make us sinless. The perfection of our body and our spirit, along with the perfection of a sinless soul is the...

How evil is it to be water baptized? You use the word 'evil' as if I were sacrificing a chicken before I am water baptized and being baptized in the name of satan. The bible is very clear that Jesus wants us to be water baptized. So stop with the 'evil' business.

BillG. Last time on Judas. Judas was not saved. He did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah. He, was however a branch on the vine. We all are branches on the vine. But whether we take nourishment from the vine is another thing. Some branches do not and whither and die. Some do and are...

You don't think repentance and faith are works?

The only way Jesus will lose them, is if they reject him, too many examples in the bible that ES is not true.

Sorry, believers always have the choice to reject Christ and turn into unbelievers. Many examples in the bible.

I would think that all the people in the 7 churches were of the saved type. Jesus chose Judas, knowing he would kill him. Jesus chose Nicolas, even knowing he would be a troublemaker in his church. If you do not believe that Jesus chose Nicolas, then you must believe that the foundation of...

If the translations lose something, is that one reason we disagree on what it takes to be saved?

Whoever got you to Jesus, I am glad you are there.

You quote 10 of 3000 Christian churches, and you figure you've proved something?

I believe many examples in the bible stress that saved people went out and did such atrocious deeds that Jesus even says in the bible that he hates them. You can say all day that they weren't really saved, but nobody can say for sure. I say they were, you say they were not. I say that one who...

God does not demand perfection. But he demands fruit. If you do not produce fruit you will be cut off. If you produce little fruit, you will be purged so as to produce more fruit.

Think what you will.

You seem to be obsessed with the word 'proselyte'. Nicolas may have been the only proselyte among the 7. So What? Nicolas was a proselyte from Antioch, so what? A proselyte just means he was a rather new convert to Christianity, so what? The apostles told the people to choose 7 men from...